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To: Dr.MensaWannabe who wrote (14601)3/2/2001 12:12:45 AM
From: Nemer  Read Replies (1) of 32871
 
DMW ....

>>>>>>> I don't know if you fit the profile that SE seems to think fits you. I will tell you the Cat certainly fits the ENFP profile.

LOL

I'm the one who identified Scoot's profile several months before he took the test ......
I was fortunate to nail his on the head from posting to/with him over several years and a few phone calls ....
he was amazed ..... gggggg ... especially AFTER he took the tests ....

Patrick, also, as I recall is an ENTP along with being listed under the Prime Minister heading on the test I put down at the bottom of this post ....
we BOTH hate it that we are similar ..... LOL
of course, Paddy is a lot more talented/rich/young/athletic/better looking AND a lot of other things, too ..... LOL

I was diagnosed with adult ADD a couple of years or so ago ....
came as a complete suprise to me and to my family, but I was very fortunate to find out and indeed, have been highly rewarded with the knowledge ...
actually, it has completely changed my life .. for the better, by far ...

In the tests, exams, testing, etc was where I came across "again" the personality tests ...
again I say, because when "Red" was working on her Masters and PhD she had several courses which dealt in that area and of course, being married to her for nearly 39 years now, some of that personality testing stuff rubbed off on this ol dummy by osmosis .... and as a matter of fact, I had to "volunteer" to help her by taking a whole bunch of them .... gggggg .
but adult ADD was NOT even thought of back twenty or so years ago ...
and not much is really known today ... as I have discovered most that I know now, by myself

anyway here is a brief (for me, at any rate) explanation of some of the things I paid handsomely to find out ...
a lot of it is on the internet for free ......LOL

here is the CAT =====
ENFP
"The Advocate": "Enthusiastic, expressive, emotional, warm, evocative, imaginative, original, artistic, improviser, perceptive, affirming, supportive, cooperative, positive, open responsive, sensitive, playful, fun-loving, multifaceted, gregarious, zestful, spontaneous, idealistic, initiators of new projects and possibilities, agents of change. Their focus is on self-expression and possibilities, "what could be' rather than 'what is.' Life is a celebration and a creative adventure. Enthusiastic initiators of new projects, relationships, and paradigms. Masters of the start-up phase. Lose interest when the project or relationship gets routine or when the primary goal is well on the way to accomplishment. Often eloquent in expressing their vision of a world where ideals are actualized. Frequently have a positive attitude in situations others would consider to be negative. Work in bursts of enthusiasm mixed with times when little gets done. Need careers that are personally meaningful, creative, and allow for full self-expression and that contribute to other people in some way. Extremely versatile. They may have friends from many walks of life, a wide range of interests and hobbies, and they gain a professional level of mastery without formal training." Suggested careers: Public relations, actor, teacher.


here is Nemer =====
ENTP "The Inventor": "Enthusiastic, puzzle master, objective, inventive, independent, conceptual thinker, creative problem solver, entrepreneurial risk taker, improviser, competitive, questioning, rebellious, rule breaker, gregarious, witty, involved, strategic, versatile, clever, adaptable, energetic action-oriented agents of change. Improves systems, processes, and organizations. Relentlessly tests and challenges the status quo with new, well-thought-out ideas, and argues vehemently in favor of possibilities and opportunities others have not noticed ["Born To Explore" is a prime example of an ENTP doing this!]. Can wear out their colleagues with their drive and challenging nature. See the big picture and how the details fit together. The most naturally entrepreneurial of all types. Usually not motivated by security. Their lives are often punctuated with extreme ups and downs as they energetically pursue new ideas. They have only one direction: ahead at full speed, leaving a trail of incomplete projects, tools, and plans in their wake. Their idea of fun and best creative self-expression involves devising new conceptual modeling and dreaming up imaginative and exciting ventures. Need lots of room to maneuver. When forced to dwell on details and routine operating procedures, they become bored and restless. Respect competence, not authority. Seek work that allows them to solve complex problems and develop real-world solutions. Often surrounded with the latest technology." Suggested careers: High tech engineer, marketer, entrepreneur. This type is the most likely to switch careers.

here is the test ===========
advisorteam.com

here is the theory in brief ==============

MTBI Theory: In the early twentieth century a guy named Jung invented a way to look at and differentiate personalities based on preferences in how people perceive information from their environment and make decisions. If two people perceive and process the same information differently because of their brain differences, they are likely to have opposing views and attitudes, and misunderstandings are to be expected. Later, the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) was created, making the Jungian system more practical and useful.

The beauty of this system, compared to other systems, is that it focuses on and is defined by opposing functions, for example, whether someone is an introvert or an extrovert. It does NOT predict exactly how a person will behave, but it does predict what drives certain types of people and how they are likely to perceive their environment compared with other people.

There are four opposing preferences which make sixteen possible temperament types:

1. Sensing Vs. iNtuition. What you tend to focus on. This is the most important category. Sensing individuals are more likely to pay attention to facts and details and are observant of the here and now. Intuitors focus on meaningfulness of the facts, relationships between among the facts, and the possibilities of future events that can be imagined from these facts. They are introspective. Most people are Sensors. ADDers may be of either type, but Intuitives might be more likely to be classified as ADD. Intuitives, which are in the minority, are more likely to appear inattentive because they spend a lot of time in their heads (and lose the car keys), they have a holistic and non-sequential learning style, and are easily bored. Some of the Sensor types (the SPs) can be labeled ADD as children because they are action-oriented and do not like school.

2. Thinking Vs. Feeling: Your preference when making value-based decisions. Thinkers base their decisions on objectivity, logic, and fairness, while Feelers base their decisions on their values and tend towards a personal approach. By the way, Thinkers are not smarter than Feelers (but they think they are) and Feelers are not more caring than Thinkers (but they think they are). There is not much correlation between this function and ADD. However, a Thinking preference can be the source of social difficulties because Thinkers do not naturally feel the need to sugar-coat what they say and may not notice social customs or consider people's feelings. Feelers may be extremely sensitive and as children may not perform well for teachers if they feel the teacher does not like them. Male Feeling types and Female Thinking types often have problems with gender stereotypes (about 65% of women are Feeling types and 65% of men are Thinking types).

3. Judging Vs. Perceiving: Judgers are more decisive and prefer a lot of structure. ADDers are more likely to be Perceivers. Perceivers prefer flexibility, adaptability and divergent thinking. They want to provide for unforeseen change and consider a variety of techniques. Their motto is "On the other hand..." They are more curious, spontaneous, indecisive, love to start new projects, tentative, process or quality-oriented. The "P" could also stand for procrastinating and pondering.

4. Extravert Vs. Introvert. Extraverts are expressive and seem to get energy from the environment and other people, while Introverts are naturally reserved and seem to be energized by being alone with their thoughts and ideas. Extraverts, especially extreme extraverts, are impulsive, energetic, and are easily distracted. Introverts, especially extreme introverts, are prone to focus so intensely on their inner world that they do not realize people are talking to them. In busy places extraverts can become overly wound-up and introverts may shut-down. Based on my conversations with people, inattentive ADDers (without hyperactivity) are usually introverts, especially Intutive Introverts.

It's actually a lot more complicated than the above, but that's the gist of it. Someone who has preferences for Extraversion, iNtuition, Thinking and Perceiving is said to be an "ENTP" type.

One way to try and find out your type is by taking the online Keirsey Temperament Sorter ,
but read these tips first:
The test works for most people but not everyone (I believe it's something like 85% accurate, and some people have trouble with the way the questions are worded).
If the description of your type does not sound correct, then you probably got the wrong result.
When taking the test, do NOT think of yourself in only one environment, like work. Think of your entire life, in a variety of places (work, play, relaxing).
Don't overanalyze the questions.
Just pick whatever comes to you first. Don't answer the questions the way you wish you were. Answer them using your natural tendencies. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

and for anyone who got this far reading the post ...
here are some additional things to try in spare time ....
ldpride.net

and here is one we had quite a fun time with on Drillbits and Bottlerockets thread ....
cmi-lmi.com
on this one my type is Prime Minister ...... lol
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