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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank

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To: thames_sider who wrote (9387)3/22/2001 1:46:32 PM
From: Greg or e  Read Replies (1) of 82486
 
Firstly, according to current physics time was not there before the start of the universe - time began with the Big Bang. So we don't have eternity.

You are correct about time and its relationship to TBB but you are wrong about eternity. Eternity exists outside of time and matter.

Secondly, the universe presumably cannot contain anything from 'outside' the universe, there is no 'outside' - so, er, how could anything within the universe create it?

False premiss,(there is no 'outside') false conclusion. God is both transcendent and imminent.

"Thirdly, even given eternity, there are limitations. Heisenberg's principle. Lightspeed in vacuo. Eternity is not long enough to break a literally universal law."

In the same way God transcends time, God also transcends, and is therefore not subject to the limitations of the material universe. Thought, is much quicker than the speed of light for instance.

"Fourthly, it now looks as though we have an ever-expanding universe. I recall reading a while back that we can therefore expect to see proton decay within 10^60 years or so, following which the universe will consist mainly of neutrons and neutrinos... depressing thought, huh? But as far as we can tell at least this will go on for ever."

As the big mama said to her unruly son, "I brought you into this word and I can take you out again". God is not finished with this world (gr-Cosmos) yet.

"Lastly, although The idea of an eternity ...includes no limitations. - we live in an actuality, not an idea. The fact that something in theory has no limitations does not mean that this something is present in reality. You can say what you like - about the idea; but it need not apply.
(how do I think the universe started? random fluctuation.)
"

If you restrict "reality" to only the things you can see and feel then perhaps you have a point, but then the laws of logic would then not be "real" would they?

Have a jolly good day
Greg
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