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To: Rob Young who wrote (136140)5/26/2001 9:26:27 PM
From: tcmay  Read Replies (3) of 186894
 
Box makers often have no choice!

>from Rob Young at May 26, 2001 8:08 PM

>I guess the thinking from many OEMs is they will grow
>their Unix share. But I think Sun (among others) must
>have seen the handwriting on the wall and backed away
>from Itanium for the shrinking margin reason.
>
>Two, three or so years from now ... how much hardware
>do you think HP will sell if their HP/UX IA64 product runs
>just as well on Dell based servers and the Dell box is
>30% cheaper?

An interesting point, but the rejoinder is: neither Sun or H-P nor Dell would have a choice in the matter.

You raise the possibility that Sun pulled back from the Itanium deal because they feared a flood of low-cost 64-bit server boxes. Well, if there _IS_ such a flood, will Sun somehow be magically protected from the overall competition?

This is kissing cousin to a box maker in 1984 saying to themselves: "There's going to be a flood of these low-cost boxes made with Intel processors. I think we'd better just stay safely in our niche where we sell non-DOS machines for a lot of money."

This didn't help them as the world adopted DOS/Intel en masse.

If in fact Dell and Gateway and H-P start selling "commodity 64-bit servers," Sun can no more hide than Fortune Systems could hide in 1984.

I'm not saying the 64-bit Unix/Oracle/transactions server market is the same as the PC market was, but there are strong similarities. And the history of companies hiding because they feared head-on competition has not been bright.

Sun probably has their own reasons for not pursuing the Itanium with as much vigor as Dell and H-P are, but keeping protected profit margins is probably not it.

>A complicated scenario all around but I believe that many
>are making big fat margins on their boxes and wish to
>protect those margins as long as they can.

"I expect people in Hell want ice water, but that don't mean they're gonna get it."

(Jessica Lange in a movie from the 80s.)

>Solaris is the de facto Unix (judging latest market share
>studies for growth and total numbers). They have grown
>that in the face of marginal performance. They would be
>foolish to give up those high margins on the UE10000 as long
>as they are selling them.

We could be seeing a kind of replay of the Macintosh history. Sun might do much better to leverage its Solaris OS on the lowest cost hardware boxes they can find.

--Tim May
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