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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank

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To: Solon who wrote (17275)6/21/2001 10:23:23 PM
From: TimF  Read Replies (1) of 82486
 
Roughly one-third of the world's women live in countries with strict abortion legislation, where women are not allowed abortion under any circumstances

Thank you for the statistics to use against your own argument. Now according to your data about 1/3 of the world's women live in countries with strict abortion regulation. Since considerably more then 1/3 of the women in the world live in undeveloped countries you have just made my case for me, that the set of undeveloped or developing countries is different then the set of countries with strict laws against abortion. In fact since the majority of the world's women live in undeveloped countries you now seem to have made the case that not only are these
sets not identical, but indeed they are very different. So you show something about one set and claim to have shown something about another set that is very different. Do you recognize the logical problem with this type of argument?

The logical flaw in your argument is so glaring it surprises me that you can not see it. Is it that you didn't don't want to look, or that you looked but fail to find it (this seems unlikely for someone of your intelligence but perhaps you have a blind spot for this specific flaw, or maybe you are less educated in logic then I thought you where), or is it that you know its there but choose to ignore it for rhetorical purposes?


These experts also said that that the undeveloped and developing mainly represented ILLEGAL abortions. This is the point, and this is why I said you were "weaseling"!!

This is unlikely considering 3 facts. 1 - China and India the countries with the two biggest populations in the world are both developing countries with legal abortion, and China encourages and even forces abortion. 2 - The countries with the highest abortion rates in the world are communist or former communist countries with legal abortion, this includes Vietnam with the highest rate, and 3 - your own data says that one third of the women in the world live in countries with strict abortion legislation, but the fraction of women that live in developing countries is more like 3/4 or 5/6.

Also even if it was true that most abortions in the undeveloped world were done in countries where abortion is illegal the minority of abortion still performed legally in undeveloped countries would still totally throw off the comparison you make to developed countries. If say 1/4th of all abortions in developing countries where in countries with legal abortions (and it might be more like 3/4 considering the facts I posted above) that would through off your comparison by 25%. The only way that using "undeveloped countries" as proxy for "countries were abortion is illegal", would be if 1 - All developed countries had legal abortion (which may be true), and 2 - The vast majority (say over 95%) of abortions in undeveloped countries are illegal. The 2nd part is almost definitely not true. I'm not weaseling about this I am
asserting it is not true. In fact I would be surprised if you did not agree with me.

I am going to tell you a story about when I first became aweare of what "WEASELING" was--when I was only about 9 years old. Perhaps that is why I am so sensitive to "WEASELING".

My mother used to misquote me all the time. Perhaps that is why I am particularly sensitive to misrepresentations, like yours that I said that I said "Illegal abortions represent no danger to women.", or your misrepresenting data about abortions in undeveloped countries as data about countries where abortion is illegal. In all honestly while misrepresentation and misquoting is a bad thing I probably get a bit more worked up about it then I should, its sort of a per peeve of mine.

Tim
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