Exactly the working conditions where often horrible but people sought out these jobs anyway so I can't imagine that breathing noxious fumes of 18 hours a day was typical.
Tim, these people had no choice..they had to work. Those jobs were the only ones available...noxious fumes and all.
Long hours and hard work yes, but probably less hard (or with better pay) then the farm laborers of the time.
If I was given the choice of moving a widget from one belt to the other while breathing noxious fumes, or working on a farm, I'd take the farm if for no other reason than the living was healthier.
It would be nice to get rid of those regs. but trust me, soon after, people would resort back to their old ways very quickly. Left to our own devices we tend to be piglets...and that's why there is a need for so many regs.
>>I'm not arguing against work place safety laws and regulations (although there are perhaps some that could use revaluation), but conditions would not be so bad as they used to be. Only part of the reason for improved conditions was regulations. Greater wealth and greater societal concern for health and safety helped a big deal.
Greater societal concern and wealth are very recent. What made the difference at the turn of the century were the new regs put into place. And many of the industrial barons of that time complained ad infinitum over those new regs., claiming that they would be the ruin of the country and industry. I guess its been down hill ever since. ;~))
But I do think that getting rid of all these regs would be a bad thing. I just think that more effort should be taken to simplify them and any new regs should be considered very carefully.
I agree.
And even with that we have building disasters where the inspectors were paid off and the work not done to code.
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The more difficult it is to build up to the code, the more incentive there is to try to get around it.
Its not more difficult...it costs more and some builders don't want to pay for it.
And once someone decides to try and cheat on it they might cheat a lot rather then just not comply with one or two particuarly difficult or seamingly useless regulations that caused them to cheat. You make a good case for having some level of regulation, but to those point really support regulations taking up so many pages you can't even carry them let alone easily have a good understanding of them?
That may be true in some cases but sometimes its just that the need for those regs. is not always obvious. The owner of the wedding hall in Israel that collapsed recently felt that certain bldg. requirements were over done and so he did not comply. However, if he had complied with the code, most likely the collapse would not have occurred. He will pay for his arrogance in law suits and probably will never build again. However there are, I think, 20 people who paid for his arrogance with their lives.
I don't disagree that some laws are unnecessary; however, I think they are limited to maybe less than 5% of all laws. Most laws go through a fairly arduous approval process that usually weeds out the less productive ones.
BTW - You where right about the order filling. I went to change it and it all ready had filled at $22.50.
Sorry to hear that....I would put a stop at maybe 19.50 or 19.75 in case AMD decides to drop further. If it does, I think it will go all the way to 14 or 15....I think it depends a lot on the markets.
It was ugly out there today.
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