JC, "...if AMD can produce 70-80nm gates, why can't Intel if Intel's process is equal or better? - Elmer"
This is a big fallacy, and the major point on contention between Intel "process technology" zealots and AMD admirers.
Intel zealots can't stand that FACT that AMD process technology is better, and _ALWAYS_ was, although it may sound paradoxical.
The simple truth is that the process advantage was the only tool where AMD could compete with Intel in the copy-CPU era of 286/386/486. And they did it successfully.
In K6 era, when the 5-stage pipe of K6 had serious drawbacks against 10/12 stage pipe of the PPro/II/III, AMD managed almost to reach frequency parity. Given the "8-level of logic rule" for PPro pipes versus 20-25 levels of logic in K6, AMD advantages in transistor/layout/interconnect technology was as high as 2.5X of the Intel. I guess some process technologists at Intel and their "consultants" were not comfortable with this fact.
The issue of (transistors) # (pipe length) was greatly discussed on AMD thread in K6-era, but few FAB technicians (with PhDs) did not get the idea despite of elaborate attempts of the thread to educate them.
With the pipe length parity between P-III and Athlon, the AMD process technology advantage (40+%) was clear for anyone.
Now, when the P4 pipe is twice as long, these morons are back. These guys have an agenda multiplied by deep ignorance, so it is totally useless to argue with them, only curse them away.
Regards, - Ali |