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To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (122124)9/15/2001 11:31:32 PM
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I'm not sure what I said to prompt that response from you. Lots of borders in the Middle East are arbitrary sure. But there are well defined cultures in say Iraq or in Syria-Lebanon-Palestine. There were always local differences within such a region even if small. Look at the huge differences in dialect in side a country of small size like Germany. The time which has gone by in this century can't be completely ignored or turned back in its effects on forging national identities. There are seven long-term choices then vis a vis Israel-Palestine:

1. The interim solution for the last 30 years where certain areas are territories where some of the population doesn't have democratic rights and a state where all citizens have democratic rights.

2. A single democratic state

3. A two state solution

4. Removal of the Arab population somewhere else.

5. Removal of the Jewish population somewhere else.

6. Transfer the West Bank to Jordan and Gaza to Egypt as between 1948-67

7. A single authoritarian state or Apartheid state.

To me it seems that 1. doesn't have long-term viability and 4. and 5. just won't happen. 2. sounds attractive but from the Israeli perspective could result in the country becoming just another Arab country over time. So they were working on 3. which might not be a real solution either as long as the Arab side aren't serious about it. 6 also seems attractive from an Israeli persepctive but can't work unless those governments agree which they don't. I don't think we want to consider 7 even if it could be viable which it isn't.

I don't know, what do you think?

Not for one minute do I doubt Jewish rights to a state in Israel and our historic connection to the land. But I don't feel our cause is furthered by inaccurate propaganda. I saw that kind of stuff in the 1980s and thought that even the right wing in Israel (which I would see myself aligned with) now saw that it was counterproductive. But the Jewish lobby in the US sometimes still seems to pursue it (I know that you Haim are from Israel originally or at least lived there for a while?).

David
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