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Politics : Foreign Affairs Discussion Group

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To: FaultLine who started this subject9/20/2001 8:42:00 AM
From: Condor  Read Replies (1) of 281500
 
An interesting perspective from a very savvy citizen of the East and the West
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Jbin.. Talebans have four Scud launchers with 40 missiles Islamabad is in their range they will hit us hard, whole
nation is upside down today caught in internal rift, 100 US planes today are landing where! In Pakistan not
anywhere else! I mean no spirited defence of my nation, no need of that but the facts have to be corrected. I just
wanted you to know it is not for few $'s more, rather it is not at all about it, it was our survival we sided with the
truth. Not the first time in the history of our nation but a decision that has made Pakistan as a spearhead fighting the
war against terrorism, a nation accused of excesses now coming in front to root it out is a big change of hearts and
I love it.

The nation has not signed any deal, only a promise that your poverty would be looked into. How much of that
poverty comes from our high defence cost? Nearly 35% of our budget goes directly in defence. Who has been the
largest benefactor of our forces, please read this in following lines. First of we have maintained our freedom we
cherish second we are providing an anchor against extremism that can envelop this region in absence of our liberal
governments. We are called a failed state, a religious state and a state with no future, as media likes to portray us
one, but we are neither, we are strong in education, largest number of MSCE Engineers outside India and in last 6
elections we never had more than 2% share of votes for religious parties, it was either liberal Benazir or Nawaz
Shariff who took the mantle of Premier ship. No other Islamic country can boast such a record. But for the world
we are reason of everything that is not right, because we are foolishly very impulsive. Like what we did in Kargil
but the same man can go to Agra and try to make an effort of peace that will one day come true.

We make a lot of mistake in governance and become a laughing stock for the global community but we can shock
the world with our resilience and you could see that when it to crisis. From 12th,Sept the governance has
completely shown a great deal of understanding, not hollow senseless and foolish actions likes of Saddam. WE
were sensible to side with the right side even here where it mattered the most. Before our independence this region
what is called as Pakistan was called the backwater of the Union, our total GDP was 6.5% of United Indian GDP
today this region after 54 years of Independence boasts a GDP of 60 billion $ and on PPP basis far higher, we are
nearly 18% of Indian GDP and more over closing the gap very fast. We have 4 million Pakistani outside Pakistan
and 650 in WTC on that day. We are found everywhere, we are industrious and we don’t like to fool around but
we are labelled for our big slogans and wrongful attitude as being the ‘custodian of Islam’ if that subsides we can
progress real fast. I always tell my Indian friends that a stable Pakistan guarantees a stable India, imagine Taliban
like government in Pakistan what will become of North India, I shudder when I think of this, even the hardest lines
of Indian political structure agree with me on this. Pakistan will emerge out of this stronger so would be our region
as India will be happy t see the back of un-interrupted terrorism that has caused our relationships to be poor.

I accept this confrontation for sake of justice, so does every one else supporting this cause, at midnight when my
President was sleeping he was asked one liner friends or foes, typical western style like dead or alive! He said
friends no money-changed hand, nor it should normally. It will be a price that we have to pay; in first few days
some were trying their level best to get us declared as the target, luckily we escaped from this all with our integrity
intact.

We have offered US all the support since 1960's rather our independence, Gary Powel use to fly out of Peshawar
from Budbier in U-2’s that is the reason USSR never liked us nor does it now in bed with us, we supported your
decision to overturn Russian invasion of Afghanistan, we were partly responsible for that bringing down the USSR
empire with your help that expedited the fall of Iron Curtain in Europe and what happened, let me tell US ditched
us immediately soon after that, these poor people have been treated like poor vassal state. We have given you Amil
Kansi and Ramzi Yousef , they were arrested by FBI in 1995-97 within hinterland of Pakistan deported out within
an hour, no extradition nothing, no courts these are the criminals who attacked the WTC and CIA officials, in
return we have been treated on par with states like Sudan and other states and that is one reason we have people
who tell us why you want to support US now when we will be forgotten soon after that. In Gulf war we had
20,000 people in SA. Pakistan unfortunately talks about Islam a lot but is one of the most moderate of the states
within our part of the world, I can write like this even when I am in Pakistan I will not be picked up by state
security even when I was opposing Nuclear detonations no one asked me why you are doing that, in Arab world
show dissidence and you are history but most unfortunately we are treated as same bunch as Sudan or Iraq if
nothing better. However anytime you need us we are there by your side. That makes me feel proud of my nation,
to side with justice.

This money thing is just propaganda, our stocks market is closed now for 5th day in running it has tanked by 15%
and will not open until Monday, we had no other choice, either we would have been the target of war and our
Nuclear deterrence would have been destroyed by people who wanted us to be the US enemy number 1 which my
people saw it coming and intelligently sided with the state that we decided in 1947 to side with. On our
independence we had two invitations one from USSR other from USA, we went on the side of US from 1947 our
neighbour the other way, we joined USA in SEATO, CENTO, we brought the balance in Asia in face of rising
threat to communism.

Pakistan military and US military has closest of ties, until yesterday when I wrote on this thread that preparation are
far advanced since 14th Us SSG’s are n Pakistan preparing for landings, no one thought that but today 100 planes
are heading towards bases in Pakistan, we have taken on the wrath of the Khan and Pushtuns we have our own
Pushtuns over 15 million, the worst of enemies USSR and British can tell you, you take a fight with them that runs
15 generation, we have taken that on. These people will hate us more than US because we betrayed them in their
opinion we think we had to do that, the Generals I talk to tell me it was in first few minutes that Musharraf decided
where he is going on basis of ‘justice’ he told them we cannot overlook this. Think hard about if your target was
Pakistan, you could have decimated us in no time but that would have resulted in a major problem with many of the
states who protect us, China AND Saudis would HAVE never allow this, if oil embargo would have to come it
could have ONLY come if Pakistan would have been declared a target without cause, that what our enemies
wanted us to be declared.

Saudis since nuclear detonation by Pakistan are paying for the entire oil imports on a interest free credit, China
needs us as a proxy against India, and takes care of our needs and would not have allowed open aggression on us
for reasons that we never understood, and had no connection with this act for which we were initially being
targeted by global media harping reports that Pakistan is involved whereas not a single Pakistani has been involved
so far luckily would have hated that.

Pakistan could have waited and sold herself as prostitute to the highest bidder that would certainly be USA, we
don’t do that and please don’t read this propaganda, the people in Pakistan need to be told that we have material
benefits from it, we are just doing what we have always done being unknown friends of US in need and in times, no
discussion have taken place so far, I will quote US ambassador to Pakistan that US is studying to help Pakistan.

Just thank God that we had a liberal heading Pakistan if otherwise, fragmentation of a nation with a huge nuclear
arsenal would be nightmarish. It could be done but at a cost that would be horrendous. Someone with 50 nuclear
bombs and 200 missiles and fourth largest standing Army in the world who has spent his entire GDP foolishly of
over 50% on defence would have taken some time to be conquered that would have required a coalition that
would bring in India and may be Israel, that would have been a true confrontation with China and Islamic word on
one side and USA, USSR, India and Israel on the other and Pakistan as a target with Afghanistan. This is what
Clash of Civilisation could have been, that policy luckily US ARMY torpedoed, Powel and Cheney knew our
longstanding involvement and relationships with US and as luck would have it our intelligence chief of ISI was in
Washington on 11th of Sept and taken to briefing straight away.

In Nato or outside I will like to inform you that Pakistan has been the closest US allies, unfortunately for reasons
not to alienate domestic homegrown extremist this has been a well-kept secret. Whenever US wanted anything
they get it on priority basis, we understand that we need US on our side we are a young nation and need US more
than US needs us. I think our loans will stay and we will just be given a good conduct certificate for our work like
before, we are no Arabs like Egypt and Saudi who manufacture these deranged –astards who can fly these things
right into the buildings, but we are a very sensible nation and we are prod to be part of this collation to set things
right and I hope US makes sure that next time they have sensible people running Afghanistan and help eradicate this
extreme poverty to win the cold war on belly of Afghanistan and to leaver it to rot my have been the biggest error
of the liberals within US. Like Germany we could have had a small very small Marshal Plan to rebuild them after
USSR break up, Afghanistan expedited it, Brezhnev had lost his face in Politburo, the huge toll of life of Russians
FAR TO GREAT, the dream of Peter the great to reach the warm waters of Persian Gulf was thwarted by the
US-Pakistani Afghan coalition, once that goal was not possible the USSR crumpled as a result of 9 year bloody
quagmire they could not extricate themselves form it. US on other had has an ally that knows the region and knows
the country inside out, they would not get bogged down. Read ‘Bear trap’ and you will see.
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