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To: Skeeter Bug who wrote (132721)	10/9/2001 3:39:28 PM
From: craig crawford	Read Replies (1) of 164687

>> craig, any law of any kind limits personal sovereignty << i don't think that's true. don't some laws preserve and protect sovereignty? >> your assumption that any loss of sovereignty is bad << so you are now agreeing that the united states is ceding sovereignty to international bodies? because before i couldn't even get you to admit that we have surrendered sovereignty--now you are saying it's ok if we cede some sovereignty. >> agreeing not to nuke canada is a loss of sovereignty << you think we should give up the sovereign right to use nuclear weapons to defend ourselves on whoever and whenever we choose? even amongst all these flags i see flying around it's amazing how unpatriotic americans have become. according to you we need to worry about trampling on europe's sovereignty and we need to be considerate of canada's feelings when deciding when to use nuclear weapons. how about putting america's interests first and letting europe and canada worry about their own sovereignty? if a bunch of european countries feel it's worthwhile to surrender national sovereignty in order to gain bargaining power against behemoths like the US, let them. perhaps they don't enjoy the same freedoms and liberties we do so they have nothing to lose. here, country comes first and foremost. those suckers in europe are losing their countries. let 'em. people like myself will not let the united states turn into just another province of the world. we are a republic, founded on independence and freedom. sanctioning some global movement toward a one world government is precisely the opposite of what our founders fought to achieve. >> i might not agree with all of the agreements these folks make, however, i think the conspiracy theory is a bit much. << conspiracy implies a secret plot. i never said it was a secret or a conspiracy. i have always maintained that the politicians and transnational elites advocate this movement and sign away our freedoms right before our very own eyes. >> btw, how would you resolve it? << i think i have been pretty clear. do not enter into global trade agreements that lead to the surrender of our national sovereignty. use our economic leadership to negotiate trade deals that put america first--not the transnational elites. do you realize that Ford & IBM have more employees outside the US than here at home? is it any surprise they don't have america's best interests in mind? is it any surprise companies like this lobby for trade deals to further enhance their bottom line? we need to retain our freedom of independence in the future to unilaterally negotiate trade deals. joining international trade agreements undermines that freedom to act unilaterally, and forces us to act multilaterally. >> who would YOU FORCE to do what and why is that better than the status quo??? << there you go again. when you refer to my suggestions for action, we are FORCING our will on the world. yet when referring to ge/hon you invoked the technicality that the EC could not FORCE them to terminate their merger. i ceded you the point that technically ge/hon could have merged, although the EC made it totally unbeneficial to do so, effectively blocking the merger. now you want to throw technicalities out the window and imply that i suggest we FORCE something upon people in violation of their freedom. take your pick. do you want the argument to center on technicalities or the more inportant broader issues?

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