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To: maceng2 who wrote (78439)	10/14/2001 11:39:14 AM
From: E. Charters	Read Replies (2) of 116753

So what are we supposed to do with these Mitchells? Fly them into some mud huts in Afghanistan? They don't have any Empire State buildings. There are other solutions. If location transponders could not be turned off and commercial aircraft had emerg fly by wire control (it worked fine with CF100's and AV-Roe aircraft, they could all be flown and landed from the tower -- and it also works with Harrier), and if a flight plan database were kept then this threat could be headed off cheaply. One other solution is construction and fire control in large buildings. The WTC was a known fire trap with no usable exits for large scale evacs and locked exit doors at that. Water at height and pump/pipe capacity for a major fire on any floor is less than 5% of adequate. This was known when it was designed. If exits were wide enough, (about twice as wide) had slides and physically separated from the building in mini towers then all would have got out. In addition, if two floors were dedicated to fire control the fire would not have been able to melt the steel. Further the pathetic gypsum coating of the steel was also known to highly inadequate. Everybody knows that there is no substitute for Asbestos. Chrysotile long fibre asbestos does not cause asbestosis. That has been proved. The fibre is huge and easily exits the body by phagocytes and anyway can be locked in by binders. The health hazard even for bound crocidolite (short fibre asbestos) with a good binder is vanishingly small. They use it in brake pads and you don't see mechanics who blow out brakes every day with lung disease. (note: the disease of asbestosis was prevalent in dry grinding plants of blue Asbestos or Crocidolite, not Chrysotile, in Quebec.) The binder wraps the fibre and renders it harmless. Long fibre Asbestos however is the stuff that is good for fire control. With one half inch of asbestos on the steel the building would have survived 4 to 5 hours of that kind of fire. If there were stand pipes and 1000 HP in building pumps and/or good size roof tanks then the control would have put the fire out by that time. This was all covered in a cheapo Hollywood disaster movie. The Empire state had a serious one hour fire. Granted it faced 1/4 of the fuel of the WTC, but its construction, which was well coated steel frame, easily withstood this. The wTC was skin, frame tube. When the side skin and a few frame members melted it had to go. This would not have happened with the ES. Its strength did not depend on the skin. EC<:-}

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