Amein,
Firstly, I appreciate your response. It is honest, and with good intention. But let's explore a little further, in context...
From the Qu'ran:
[al-Baqarah 2:190] Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.
[al-Baqarah 2:191] And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.
[al-Baqarah 2:192] But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
You asked, "is there a battle between America, Britain, and Muslims whereby America and Britain are the aggressors on the Muslims ?"
Well, the radical Muslims are saying yes. (Put aside Afghanistan, thats obviously a "yes" now. But let's explore before we got aggressive!) Their saying by US involvement with Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt etc. we are adversely and unfairly treating Muslims. Also, by fighting and helping the Kuwaitis in the Gulf War, we desecrated holy lands (in their opinion) by shedding Muslim blood, and by non-Muslims doing it. And therefore they are considering this defending themselves. America and the West are killing Muslims, in their opinion! And we are the hostile aggressors, again, in their opinions! And Muslims are dying for a Palestinian cause, being killed by Israeli's, and we are helping them!
So in my opinion (and I'm sure the radicals), these verses do apply today to us and allow Muslims to use these verses to defend themselves, even in America. So your right about verse 2:190, EXCEPT they feel we are the aggressors which allows them to invoke these clauses. And it does not limit them in anyway. The verses give them permission to do it on our land! Do you see this point of view? Do you see where someone thinks this applies? Keep an open mind! Don't put your own biases in to this. Look at it from an outside perspective.
From the Qu'ran:
[at-Taubah 9:4] Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him).
[at-Taubah 9:5] Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[at-Taubah 9:6] And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not.
[at-Taubah 9:7] How can there be a treaty with Allah and with His messenger for the idolaters save those with whom ye made a treaty at the Inviolable Place of Worship ? So long as they are true to you, be true to them. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty.
[at-Taubah 9:8] How (can there be any treaty for the others) when, if they have the upper hand of you, they regard not pact nor honour in respect of you ? They satisfy you with their mouths the while their hearts refuse. And most of them are wrongdoers.
The reasons I gave above about the West (specifically America) apply here. We are idolaters to them. And look specifically at verse 4, "nor have supported anyone against you". We absolutely know they have a problem with our support of Israel, so we should be slain! Do you see this??
One more verse from the Qu'ran:
[al-Baqarah 2:193.6] And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers.
They want the world to be Islamic. The radicals will find any excuse to slay us, and they have good ones with Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the Gulf War, etc..., in their opinion. So their coming to do it. And I think they have a reasonable justification in the Qu'ran. The treaty, as far as their concerned, is broken! And their visa is no excuse not too. A visa is not a treaty, in my mind, or in theirs! It is permission to get here to accomplish their mission, "slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush."
Can you see where that the Qu'ran is open ended and allows this behavior?
Thank you for your honest responses...
God Bless,
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