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To: Rarebird who wrote (78787)10/23/2001 4:28:24 PM
From: E. Charters  Read Replies (2) of 116741
 
We won't argue about police states and their tactics or Germanies undeniable errors. But where do you get 6 million? There were hardly 6 million Jews in all of Europe before the war. Perhaps 5 million in Russia, let's give it maybe 6 million in all of Europe and 8 million survived the war. That leaves 3 million that died, 2 million of semi natural causes albeit related to internment. To give you an idea of scale, there are presently 7 million Jews in the USA. I don't see the figure being that high for European extermination. There are no such records. More where probably killed in the German invasion of Russia as the Jewish area of Russia was the South West (the Pale), just inside the European borders. But we know lots retreated from the advancing army.

In addition all the cremation ovens going round the clock from 1943 onwards in Poland could not have cremated that many people. (It takes 24 hours to cremate a human body and lots of valuable producer gas. The body is 96% water. Ask any modern day crematorium. In addition you have to get rid of the bones which do not burn. There would have to be traces of piles of 6 million skeletons, but they are not mentioned and have vanished into the thin air of myth. To kill 6 million people from 1943 to 1945, in 730 days they would have had to truck 120 tons of bones per day somewhere in wartime Poland. I doubt that that could have been missed. 90,000 tons of calcium oxide makes a pile. that is 1,150,000 cubic feet compacted but probably double that or 2,308,000 cubic feet. That is a pile 30 feet wide, 20 feet high and a mile and a half long. Hard to hide that. Where did it go? The logistics of bottled gas or pipelines and sources beggars description. It would also be hard to run these operations 24 hours. There is no record in camps of nightime gas deliveries or night labour in this area.) If Zyklon B was used for the deaths, which is doubtful, and again not recorded, the cycle time of deaths would not have allowed that many people to be killed. It would take at least 3 hours to fill, disperse and evacuate the chambers for safety. It is far more likely that Zylon B, an insecticide that creates cyanate gas, was used to delouse already dead people. It makes sense in that there had been 1.4 million deaths from Typhus in the camps prior to 1943, and the Germans were scared of epidemics.

The Nuremeberg trials did not indict the Nazis for execution of Jews in the camps. They said a lot about other things like unfair capital trials in Germany, waging aggressive war, and reprisals but little about the camps. This is because the case could not be made definitively with reliable witnesses. How many were killed and how, I cannot say. I will not pick a figure out of the air. To pick something out that cannot be proved or even reliably estimated from strong evidence, perjures the case.

I am not saying that these camps were Disneyland day camps. But it is almost impossible between the British wartime propaganda, the very few coherent stories and the complete lack of reliable records to establish anything definitively as to numbers or actual operation. Even William Shirer, in the Decline and Fall or the Third Reich, which is mostly propaganda based, admitted that the most prevalent form of execution used was 22 bullets. These were cheaper, quicker and positive. Why use gas? Shirer published after the war and even he said the "final solution" cabinet meeting of Hitler must be surmised and could not be proven. In other words it is also propaganda. Nowhere is it written what Hitler or Heyderich said in these meetings. Journalists tell us they said "x" but not the source of the quote. Ergo it is not to be believed.

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