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To: E. Charters who wrote (78790)10/23/2001 10:36:19 PM
From: Zeev Hed  Read Replies (3) of 116741
 
E. Charters, I hate to have to do that, but I cannot acquiesce when you repeat outrageous lies, and I will respond to you, in two parts, one a personal account, the second, cold statistics which you can check for yourself.

My mother was from Poland and had 75 family members, five of which survived the holocaust, one maternal aunt, who immigrated to Israel in 1933, and four of her cousins, one of which, was a young 16 year old youth, and was gassed, but not completely, you can still visit him in Israel, and when you hear him speak, you unmistakably recognize the impact of prussian acid burned vocal chords. He miraculously survived and escaped the camp (Auschwitz) to join the partisans, first in Northern Silesia, and later on elsewhere. The other three cousins were spared. Two sisters by being hidden by catholic family friends, and the other cousin escaping Lodge before he could be caught, to the woods. All other members of my mother's family, vanished from the face of the earth.

My Father was a a German Jew, and of his 8 brothers and sisters, all but he and one brother survived the holocaust. His younger brother was drowned in the Rhine near his birth place, Koln by "Brown Shirts". My Grandfather died of sorrow within a year, the poor soul could not understand how he, a decorated soldier, having served proudly in the German army under Bismark, would be so dishonored. My Father and Mother were executed separately, each for "good reasons" (they did participate in active resistance to the German occupation in Belgium, where they ended up in 1938). My second paternal uncle, immigrated to New Jersey in the 30' thus escaping as well. One of my paternal aunts, converted to Christianity, yet, was incarcerated in a concentration camp, but good German souls saved her and my cousin (her son, who is still alive in Bremmen). Another paternal aunt, married a Dutch farmer and passed the war in the "country" away from the "collections" and the horrors. One paternal aunt died of "natural causes" just prior to the war, and the other three paternal aunts survived the war, first in Belgium, then in Holland. As you can see from that count, the fate of German Jews was a little better than that of their Polish/Russian counter parts.

Before I get to the cold statistics, your own numbers do not jive. Even if you assumed that all the 6 MM Jews exterminated by Germany were cremated, no way you get 90,000 tons of Calcium Oxide. Using your own correct number of 4% dry weight, and an average weight of 50 Kg (close to half of the victims were children and the rest were emaciated, so 110 lbs is quite an exaggerated number), you get 50X6*10^6X.04 = 12*10^6 kg or 12,000 tonnes, not 90,000 tonnes, but you speak with such "authority" like all other liars on this subject, you expect people to believe you. Furthermore, not all the Jews were cremated. In Auschwitz between one to two MM Jews were exterminated, and if they were all converted to ashes (which they were not, witness many mass graves found there), you'll get for that "small camp" a pitiful 2000 to 4000 tonnes of ashes. Auschwitz was "open for business" for close to three years, but I'll give you just a 1000 days, or at most 4 tons per day, not enough to fill a respectable truck. German engineering ingenuity surely can handle disposal of a truck per day, particularly when they have a standing by slave work force to do the job.

Now the cold statistics. The best estimate I have seen of the toll in Europe's Jewry is 5,820,960 exterminated Jews, close enough to 6 MM and probably an underestimate, since it is derived from Jewish population counts before and after the war and does not account for few hundred thousands of kids that were born during the war.

The estimate consists of the following:

Poland/Soviet Area 4,565,000
Germany 125,000
Austria 65,000
Chechoslovakia 277,000
Hungary 402,000
France 83,000
Belgium 24,000
Luxemburg 700
Italy 7,500
Holland 106,000
Rumania 40,000
Yugoslavia 60,000
Greece 65,000
Norway 760

Toral: 5,820,960

I'll show you, now, how the biggest of these numbers can be easily derived.

The Jewish population in Poland prior to the invasion was 3,351,000 (source Polish Ministry of Information, "Concise Statistical Yearbook, 1939)

In the USSR, the census (January 17 1939) carried on "the books" 3,020,000" Jews, add to that a modest 80,000 for natural growth to the date of the invasion of the USSR on June 22, 1941 (2.5 years, thus a minimal growth rate of 1% year), and you get 3,100,000 Jews pre-war in the soviet Union. Add that Lithuania, 156,000, Latvia, 95,000, Estonia 4000 (absorbed by the USSR after the war), and add to that the annexed part of Rumania (Bessarabia and northern Bukovina, based on the Rumanian census of 1930, to be 278,000 plus rounding to 300,000 for 10 years growth) and you get a pre war Jewish population in Poland/Soviet area of 7,005,000.

After the War, the Soviet area included 1,910,000, Jews (the first census was in 1959 with 2,268,000, but taking into account that the Russian population grew by 25% or so between the end of the war and 1959, I am taking 1,910,000 as the number of Jews in Post war Soviet area) and Poland, poor Poland, it lost more than 9 out of every ten Jews (as you can see the numbers are not so different from those I showed above for my Polish mother's family) or about 300,000 Jews were left, for a total post war of 2,210,000 Jews in the Poland/Soviet area, leaving a war deficit Jewry in that geography of 4,795,000. But to be "truthful", you must subtract Jewish military casualties, which were 30,000 in the Polish Army and 200,000 in the Red Army, thus or a total of only 4,565,000 Jews just in the Polish/Soviet area, were exterminated between 1939 and early 1945. The numbers for the other countries are dwarfed by this block and I will not bore you with references to these (they do exist, mind you).

Next time you doubt the enormity of the holocaust, come up with numbers, even for just that one major block, to support your lies. Prior to WWII, there were about 18 MM Jews worldwide, one out of every three Jews was murdered, pure, simple and ghastly.

Zeev
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