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To: long-gone who wrote (78870)10/26/2001 11:06:38 AM
From: Rarebird  Read Replies (7) of 116741
 
Shabbat Shalom:(The Sabbath is every day, every hour, every minute, every second.)

The U.S.A. is unfortunately composed of a lot of fat cat self-righteous angry bitter naive fools. Talk is cheap and so are you IMO.

I've said from day one that the Terrorist Network is quite vast and very well organized in the U.S.A. and abroad. I think the U.S.A. is somewhat in over its head and spirit here.

I think you would do well to channel your anger to the appropriate sources. But you are not intelligent enough or strong enough for that. We have been at war for years long-gone, and it has been only the stupidity and selfishness of American leadership and the polyanna fat cat complacency of the American people that prevented many from recognizing this until recently. There is a tremendous amount of ant-semitism in the world and plenty of people who justify it with their words. Are you aware of this?

14:17 Oct-26-01, 9 Heshvan 5762

"Pittsburgh Jewish Cemetery Vandalized

(IsraelNationalNews.com) The Beit Hamedrash Hagadol - Beit Jacob Congregation cemetery in Pittsburgh, in the USA, was targeted by vandals that destroyed at least one hundred gravestones.

Police report that flags on graves of veterans were taken off, placed in a pile, and burned. Police working with the FBI are investigating."

israelnationalnews.com

Do you even care? I think not. You are just one of many Americans who just care about what goes on the U.S.A.

I think the U.S.A. response thus far reveals most Americans to be helpless or weak-willed. I think the U.S.A. can expect more and worse terrorist attacks in the future, as rival terrorist organizations take courage from this action on the WTC and try to outdo each other in the violence and symbolic power of their attacks on the U.S.

These fanatic Muslim Fundamentalists do not fear death. Killing them accomplishes less than nothing. It actually advances their cause.

The appropriate response is to deprive the Terrorists absolutely of the objective they desire.

What do the Muslim Fundamentalist Terrorists want? They want the destruction of Israel and the establishment of a Palestinian state. They want to have all of the Muslim world ruled by Islamic fundamentalists under strict Islamic law. And stupid weak willed Bush is responding exactly as the Terrorists want by asking Israel to negotiate with the PLO. Bush is giving in to their demands. The Muslim Fundamentalists are winning thus far. You are to one dimensional and stupid to see that.

As a direct response to the attack of 11 September, I think the United States and Israel should jointly undertake the immediate and complete occupation of all Palestinian territory, the arrest and imprisonment of all Palestinian leaders to await trial after a thorough investigation of their role in the acts of war that have already taken place against Israel, and the permanent incorporation of all Palestinian territory into the state of Israel. No Palestinian self-government should be allowed at any level, and Palestinian territory should be under martial law.

There should be No more of the childish, dangerous, and cowardly kinds of responses from Bush and Americans like you. No more withholding of ALL our troops for fear of casualties.

In consultation with Israel, the Sissy Bush Administration should stop pressuring Israel to negotiate with the Palestinian Authority. That is exactly what the Terrorists want Wimpy Bush to do. It should be obvious by now that the Palestinian Authority has neither the ability nor the will to control its supporters. It is not ready to take its place among the nations of the world, and the Palestinian people have no leaders that can be negotiated with for any purpose.

The Terrorists have shown us that the U.S.A. and Israel will suffer casualties no matter what we do.

The U.S.A. and Israel can only win if we wage war. Such a program of war will not be easy. I am talking about a widespread war at the level of World War II. We should not be surprised to find Saudi Arabia and Egypt, for instance, declaring war on the U.S.A.

The U.S.A. and Israel are nations under attack, and we should defend ourselves by destroying our enemies' ability to make war against us. We should allow them no haven.

Most important, however, is to turn this into the kind of war we can fight. An investigation to find individual perpetrators and bring them to trial would be as stupid as it would have been to try to fight Hitler that way. We cannot defend ourselves that way. We only look weaker and weaker if we try to act like police in areas where our government has no local control or cooperation.

Our strength is military and economic. Economic sanctions, however, are useless in this case. We can only win if we turn this struggle into the kind of war that the U.S. and Israeli military can deal with.

The people of all of Islam should be made to see clearly that the anti-American and anti-Israeli fanatics and fundamentalists who attacked us in their name bring down nothing but losses -- of land, of independence, of livelihood, of military forces, of nationhood -- on the people they claim to support.

They must see that if the Palestinians had lived up to their agreements and sustained the negotiation process, they would still have some degree of self-government -- but because of the actions of these fanatics, they have lost all hope of nationhood for generations to come.

It is possible that such a declaration of war against some countries would succeed in uniting the Islamic world against America. But the will to make war against America and Israel will not, in fact, be widespread among the people, and fanatic fundamentalist governments will, after a brief rush of overwhelming support from their people, become less and less popular until they are finally hated by their own people. What is President Bush afraid of?

At the end of such a war, if we wage it as war must be waged -- not gradually, not with arbitrary limitations, but with all our strength and will over a sustained period of time -- the U.S.A., Israel and its allies, will be able to establish democratic governments under its occupying forces, to rule over people who have come to detest the former leaders who brought disaster upon them.

It is almost certain that American life would be seriously affected by such a war -- with oil rationing guaranteed from the first day, putting severe limitations on travel domestically and abroad. The draft will have to be reinstituted and a lot of industries that the U.S.A. have exported -- particularly steel -- or limited -- especially energy production -- must be brought to a high level of intensity within its borders. This would certainly mean a temporary suspension of some environmental regulations and other luxuries that cannot be afforded by a nation fighting for its survival.

But there is going to be sharp limitations on travel anyway, in the effort to make further such hijackings and bombings impossible. The environment will not be secure anyway, and personal luxuries will seem foolish indeed. Isn't it better to suffer those limitations as part of an effort to destroy our enemies' ability to make war against us, so we have a hope of returning to normal when the struggle is over?

We our finding that we have few allies, for Europe has not been marked by courageous leadership in recent years, and fear of terrorism or oil embargoes might keep them from taking action in cooperation with us.

Our greatest dangers are the lack of unity within our own nation and American leadership that attempts to wage a war without asking for sacrifices from the American people. Special interest groups that are accustomed to demanding that things be done their way no matter how inconvenient it might be will need to step aside and let the military use time-tested methods of training and organization in order to win this war. President Bush should stop acting like a Wimp and do what is necessary to win the war that has, in one form or another, been going on for many years.

President Bush must also avoid the mistake his father made at the end of the Gulf War, leaving the enemy's military power largely intact in some misguided effort to maintain balance of power. Incomplete victories are not victories. Unfinished wars do not fade away.

Anything short of open, declared war with the whole-hearted involvement of the American people will ultimately fail. If the American People do not have the will to fight to defend themselves against their relentless and fanatical enemies using the kinds of weapons that can actually be used to achieve the kinds of military goals that are within its reach, then the U.S.A. should recognize that it does not have the national will to survive and declare its immediate surrender. For that is the only other response that makes any sense -- to capitulate immediately and completely, withdrawing all support from Israel except for whatever help Israel would need to evacuate all its Jewish citizens.

When I speak of all-out war, however, that still means the kind of war Americans and Israelis can bear to wage. The supreme goal must be to destroy our enemies' capability and will to make war against us or anyone else, and to deprive our enemies of any of the objectives that they were trying to achieve by attacking us. If that is not our goal, we have no right to ask our soldiers to risk their lives in the first place.

I write this, by the way, as the father of military-age sons. I do not want my sons to be put in harm's way. I prefer to die rather than my sons. But our enemies have made it clear that all American and Israeli sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, fathers and mothers are at risk, and at such a point a nation that refuses to take up arms to defend itself has decided to cease to exist. And that means that all of us must bear the burden and the risk equally.

The terrorists who destroyed the WTC carried out cowardly assaults -- but they were personally courageous, for they knew from the outset that they would give their lives in these attacks.

If Americans do not have the courage, like Israelis, as a nation and as individuals, to risk its lives in making an effective response, the U.S.A. does not deserve to prevail.

Sooner or later, we will certainly end up fighting precisely the kind of war that I am talking about now. It is better to begin it now than to wait until more American civilians are killed. How many Pearl Harbors does a nation need to lose before it realizes what is necessary?

But maybe this wasn't another Pearl Harbor, which united Americans in a great struggle that defined its national soul. Maybe this was another Hiroshima, and will lead to capitulation. That is what I think sometimes when I hear President Bush asking Israel to negotiate with terrorists, with the PLO.
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