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Politics : Foreign Affairs Discussion Group

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To: BirdDog who wrote (7861)10/28/2001 12:51:57 AM
From: Raymond Duray  Read Replies (1) of 281500
 
Hi BirdDog,

Why is it I get this really weird feeling when I envision myself addressing a Labrador retriever instead of a human being with a name like John Anderson or Abdullah Abdullah? I guess this anonimity thing has its merits. Not the least of which is that you don't have to be nearly as responsible for your drivel as I do. Since I take full responsibility and tell people who I am.

That said, I like bagels. Too many carbohydrates for a body builder, but they are low fat. So, there's trade offs.

Re: You still won't admit that your Vietnam theory is full of holes.
Well, I'm not sure about Krispy Kreme, but I do like Noah's Bagels. And they're full of holes.

Re: You won't open your eyes to how we acted there.
How could I? Our government suppressed the information about our illegal and reprehensible bombing of neutral Cambodia for years. Talk about holes in the landscape, oi!

Re: The evidence is overwhelming. But you choose to ignore it.
I also ignored Orson Welles "War of the Worlds", but that was because I wasn't born. Not that I didn't hear about how hysterically Americans reacted to what they heard on the radio. Oi vey! What a gullible and hysterical bunch of fools. Are you one?

Re: Please tell me why we weren't trying to win in Vietnam ourselves...go ahead...
Uhh, we were trying to win. Resources. The notion of completely wiping out the population was viewed by Rusk, McNamara and their ilk as just too obvious. That's why we pulled our punches. We didn't want to face a Nurenburg type court on charges of genocide. In the event, we only wiped out about 10% of the population (3 million human beings), which fell below the standard for international disgust with an individual nation's audacity at wiping out another race. Think about that the next time you read about our bombing of a Red Crescent warehouse in Kabul. Afghanistan is a nation of roughly 25 million. Should we starve 7.5 million the way that some NGOs hysterically claim, we'll be in deep doo doo. We'll keep the attrited total below 2.5 million and be under the World Court radar. Not to worry. We're a compassionate, humane society.

Be carefull Ray....you may have to admit that the US has integrity.
That'll be the day..... Individually, there are many noble souls and really honest people who live here. When you consider our record of genocide against indigenous populations who were here prior to Columbus's grand folly of thinking he'd found the Orient via a Western sailing plan, and the record of our suppression of native populations throughout the Americas, as well as Viet Nam, one can only think that there is a profound disconnect between the will and the soul of the kind hearted American citizen and that of its rather more prickly and adversarial government serving the corporate bribery clique. I love the quote from Smedley Butler. You remember him, don't you? The decorated Marine general who was solicited by Morgan bank to perpetrate a coup d'etat against Franklin Delano Roosevelt:

chss.montclair.edu

Snip:

I Was a "Racketeer"

It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent 33 years and 4 months In active service as a member of our country's most agile military force -- the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from a second lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period I spent most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism.

I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all members of the profession I never had an original thought until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher-ups. This is typical of everyone in the military service.

Thus I, helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers 1909-12. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 191G. I helped make Honduras "right" for American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. I was rewarded with honors, medals, promotion. Looking back on it, I feel I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three city districts. We Marines operated on three continents.

The war: racket operates at full swing in our own country today.- Make no mistake. We no longer fulfill by our example as a nation the role of Leader in Disarmament and Peace-Maker to Mankind. Our present war preparations and military expenditures forever nullify the Kellogg Peace Pact to which we subscribed, and all our previous efforts to ease the burden of war throughout the world.


So what are we doing in Afghanistan? Are we trying to eliminate Bin Laden or to make that part of the world safe for Unocal? History beckons us to consider the latter as the more likely purpose....

Salaams, Ray :)
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