It's amazing what you can find on the internet. Here is the court transcript from US vs USAMA BIN LADEN, et al.,
New York, N.Y. February 13, 2001, the trial of the first WTC bombing.
cryptome.org
Here are some interesting excerpts from an examination of a government witness, of Jamal Ahmad al-Fadl, a Sudanese who had been an Al Qaeda member. Sorry about the formating, but these court records are numbered line by line:
Q. Now, I want to talk to you some about 1993 or '94. There
3 came a time when you found out that, according to you, al
4 Qaeda wanted to purchase uranium, correct?
5 A. Yes.
6 Q. Did you know what they want uranium for?
7 A. I remember, yeah, Abu Jaffar al Tayar, he's Egyptian, and
8 he say it's easy to kill more people with uranium.
9 Q. You can make a huge bomb with uranium, right?
10 A. Yes.
11 Q. And you didn't say, I don't want any part of anything that
12 will kill a lot of people, right?
13 A. No.
14 Q. They asked you to go help get uranium, you said yeah?
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. And so you went and you met with someone, right?
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. And you tried to get as much information about the uranium
19 as you could?
20 A. Correct.
21 Q. You tried to find out if it was enriched or not enriched?
22 A. What "enriched"?
23 Q. It was ready to be made into a bomb immediately or had to
24 have something else done to it?
25 A. The quality, yes.
1 Q. Try to find out what country it was from?
2 A. The quality and which land, yes.
3 Q. But you yourself were not an expert --
4 A. No.
5 Q. -- in uranium, were you?
6 A. No, I just, I got the information and I bring it back to
7 somebody.
8 Q. Isn't the somebody you brought it back to Salim?
9 A. Abu Musab al Suri.
10 Q. Did you ever talk to Salim about this bomb?
11 A. I give him the paper.
12 Q. Salim?
13 A. Yes, but we didn't talk about it.
14 Q. But you gave him the paper?
15 A. Just the paper.
16 Q. And according to you, he told you or you were told that he
17 was going to get some kind of machine to test this uranium,
18 right?
19 A. Not Salim, Abu Musab Suri told me machine going to come
20 from Kenya.
21 Q. That was to see if this uranium was good enough to build a
22 bomb to kill a whole lot of people, right?
23 A. Yes.
24 THE COURT: Let me just interrupt, Mr. Stern.
25 Approximately how much longer do you have?
1 MR. STERN: Literally another three minutes.
At this point it appears the judge and lawyers get bored, and they don't get back to the questioning about the uranium. Instead, they seem to be more interested in lunch:
(snip a bunch of other stuff that has nothing to do with the uranium purchase)
6 THE COURT: Ladies and gentlemen, your lunch is here
There's a lot more about the uranium purchase on this page of the trascript:
cryptome.org
13 Q During the time you were involved with al Qaeda, did there
14 come a time when you became involved in an attempt to purchase
15 uranium?
16 A Yes.
17 Q Can you tell us when that was?
18 A That's area of '94 or end of '93.
19 Q Can you tell us how you came to be involved in the
20 purchase of uranium?
21 A I remember Abu Fadhl al Makkee, he call me and he told me
22 we hear somebody in Khartoum, he got uranium, and we need you
23 to go and study that, is that true or not.
2 Q What happened when you went to that street in Khartoum?
3 A Basheer, he told me, are you serious? You want uranium?
4 I tell him yes. I know people, they very serious, and they
5 want to buy it. And he told me did the money ready, and I say
6 what they need. They need the information about uranium, they
7 want to know which quality, which the country make it, and
8 after that we going to talk with you about the price. He say
9 I going to give you this information in a paper, and we need
10 $1,500,000, and everything go well we need it outside. We
11 need the money outside of Sudan.
12 Q And the price was how much?
13 A He say he need $1,500,000. And he say this is for the
14 uranium. But he need commission for himself, and he need
15 commission for Salah Abdel al Mobruk.
(snip a lot more interesting stuff)
Is there any doubt these guys have the material for at least a dirty bomb? |
