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Politics : Foreign Affairs Discussion Group

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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (10788)11/19/2001 2:49:58 AM
From: didjuneau  Read Replies (2) of 281500
 
But once again, with regard to Bin Laden.. I don't care what these French authors claim about the Taliban engaging in some "deal" to turn over OBL to the US.. I don't "buy it" and CANNOT BUY IT

I agree with you. To illustrate some hypocrisy here I have to ask:

What about the French oil and gas pipeline interests in Afghanistan? I've read that Unocal gave up pursuit of a pipeline after the 1998 bombing of OBL's camp, but the French, in the name of French oil interests, were still pursuing a relationship with the Taliban in 2000, according to this report:
afgha.com

and also cited here:
atimes.com

I'm wondering, if the planes had flown into the Eiffel Tower, would these reporters have blamed the French government and TotalFinaElf?

Sounds like a conspiracy to me. (not)

Obviously no U.S. stockholder is going to back a pipeline construction project in a country harboring a terrorist whose stated objective is to kill Americans wherever they are. Because of this, the French may have had the best chance of building a pipeline to supply the huge market in India.

Now the cards are being shuffled again due to the results of a mad act of terror. Because of the money, and the potential transfer of power (literally and figuratively) it represents, some would try to link the existence of Unocal's old pipeline plan to the reason for that mad act of terror. Why? For some, I guess, money and power passing right through a poor country leaves a comparison with our comforts and Afghanistan's pain that is so vivid that somehow it seems evil. So I guess somehow the whole plan must be evil, along with the people behind it.

In reality, this project could have been one of the best things to be brought to Afghanistan in a long time, if the Afghans ever allowed it to happen. Coming from Alaska, I can say that not many people here can complain about what our pipeline has provided to our state.

Also in reality, there is no link to a scrapped pipeline plan and the terror of September 11. And unfortunately for Afghanistan, it looks like there will be no pipeline there. Iran and Pakistan seem to be the chosen locations for a route through to India.

It is curious to me how U.S. government attempts to bring OBL to justice, and U.S. corporate interests in pipeline construction can be somehow linked and twisted into intimations of a conspiracy plot that calls for ultimate U.S. responsibility for the WTC.

The only real "link" I see is that the government's actions inadvertently cancelled the unrelated corporate plans the first time around. Sometimes things work in synergy. Sometimes they don't. Time will tell if these separate interests are working in synergy now, but it doesn't seem likely. As a stockholder, I wouldn't support it. A drunk guy with a rifle popped a nice hole in "our" pipeline recently.

The shocking thing is that there are people in our own country who would agree with the type of thinking that passes blame from generation to generation, and from cultural disparities to individuals. Apparently that includes our ex-president, if you listened to the speech he gave recently.

arabnews.com

I guess that's why they call it "spin". It leaves my head spinning when I try to follow that thought process. Hopefully there's a well-meaning objective behind it, but the delivery is so twisted that the objective in this case is lost on me.

I see so much opportunity in our culture, that it is clear why the disparities have occurred. We are succeeding here. Those that waste time on the backward blame game are losing out. And to me, that includes those who waste time on the backward guilt trip.

I for one, am not accepting responsibility for terrorist evil because of anything anybody's forefathers did, because we are long beyond that and we are different people. Or for what U.S. corporations do, because they provide economic and educational stimulus that has brought the whole world better things; (inherent profit seeking does not equate to inherent evil, it just seems that way when shorts attack my favorite stock). Or for what our government does in trying to bring justice to those that the entire world's governing leadership has come to consensus are the real "evil doers".

I don't know what these reporters are trying to say with their book, and I'm not planning on reading it. But the intimations that I've referred to and that I refute come straight from a post on this thread. (not yours, Hawkmoon)
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