The reason I asked if you wrote this Sim, is because you are presenting some obvious racial overtones in your message, despite your refutation that "you don't like jews".
It's pretty obvious to me that you have a problems with Jews (I'm not Jewish, nor is anyone in my family).
And btw, clearly the most powerful, and richest individual in the United States is not Jewish. His name is Bill Gates. He's even richer than his jewish co-founder, Paul Allen.
And should I assume you spend a lot of time perusing this link?
jewwatch.com
As for the UN giving land to the Jews, you're only part right, because your referring to the partitioning of the British Mandate between the Jews and Palestinians in 1947.
The Jews were ORIGINALLY given their land by the British through this mandate. They were given this land, WHICH THE BRITISH CONQUERED FROM THE OTTOMAN TURKS IN WWI, both in exchange for their service to the Allies, and as compensation for the atrocities that occurred during WWII.
And in addition, the British gave land to the Saudis, Hashemites(Jordan), Egyptians, and various other Arabs in which to form their own national states (which had NEVER existed before due to various occupation by Turks, Mongols,... etc).
But the UN ALSO set aside the Palestinian partition which consisted of the west bank and gaza. UNFORTUNATELY, after every Arab state neighboring the Jews declared war against them for declaring their independence (something these Arab states already enjoyed), the Jordanians ANNEXED the West Bank, and the Egyptians occupied Gaza. And the Jordanians OCCUPIED the west bank until 1967, when they stupidly opted to attack Israel, against the pleas of the Israeli government. As a result THEY LOST that territory.
So let's get something straight here. The Palestinians were conquered by the Arabs first. And then that territory was used to launch an invasion of Israel. When they were defeated by Israel, they lost the West Bank. Israel theoretically, according to international law, could have annexed the west bank into Israel, and make the Palestinian inhabitants citizens of Israel.
So when make those flippant comments about what the UN did for the Jews, don't forget what they did for the Palestinians, and how their Arab "brethren" DENIED them the chance of their own statehood.
In fact, Jordan had a VESTED INTEREST in occupying and annexing the West Bank. For had the Palestinians taken their hint from the Israelis and declared their own independence, it would have threatened the power of the Hashemite King of Jordan, Abdullah, since his own population was predominantly Palestinian.
And as we've seen throughout the past 50 years, Arafat's PLO has been as much of a threat to Jordan's ruling Arab elite, as he has been to to Israel proper. Arafat and the PLO even attempted to overthrow the King of Jordan in 1970, until his rebellion was ruthlessly put down and the PLO ejected to Lebanon.
Furthermore, Jordan only finally renounced it's claim to the West Bank in 1989. Until that point, they continued to claim that the Palestinians were their own subjects.
As for helping the Palestinians, that's EXACTLY what the world and the United States has been trying to achieve. Why do you think we've hosted so many of the peace treaties
And the Israeli's finally were pushed to the point of offering over 90% of the West and Gaza to the Palestinians by 1998. The Israelis presented their initial offer and Arafat countered with his typical arrogance with an "all or nothing" ultimatum and threat to recommence the intifada (although most Israelis troops had ALREADY been withdrawn from the West Bank and Palestinian Authority.
Arafat offered nothing but threats of violence, and then proceeded to carry it out, most notably releasing the some 2,000 odd extremists that he had imprisoned as a previous condition.
So this is why Arafat now finds himself in this situation. He never has attempted to negotiate in good faith, believing that he could coerce the Israelis into submitting to his conditions. But now he finds himself between the devil and the deep blue sea, with both Israelis and Palestinian extremists he supported and tolerated for so many years, both putting him in an untenable situation.
And Israel IS a democracy. In this "Jewish" state (despite its secular government), Arabs serve in the Israeli Knesset, their parliament. Some 20% of the Israel population is Arab, all possessing the right to vote.
Can you name for me one, just one, Arab state that has a Jew serving in an elected office in their government?
And I would take issue with your claim the Palestinians don't have a military. They have 50,000 men under arms. They are armed with weapons the Israelis PROVIDED THEM for the purpose of creating a police force, not a military. But that is what the Palestinians have created... a military. They have engaged in acts of war against the Israels, shooting up buses in suicide attacks, just as Hamas has.
Now I will take this even further. The struggle between the Arabs and Jews is really one of a battle between Islamic fundamentalism and Westernized secularism. That is really what is being fought against there. Because were democracy and secular liberalization of political and cultural institutions to take seed, both the religious and authoritarian leadership of these Arab countries are afraid they will lose their power and prestige.
They fear seeing their political systems developing as Turkey's has, and the empowerment of the average person, because their incredible corruption will come to an end and they would have to deal with their own inability to provide economic growth and a better way of life for their people.
So they try and divert attention from their own failures and corruptness, by keeping their people focused upon "zionist tyranny".
It's the oldest game in the book..
The bottom line is that the Arabs and Jews CAN live together with one another. This is clear given the relationship that Israel has with Turkey. It is clear from the peace treaty between Egypt, Jordan, and Israel, that they can tolerate one another, and even can do business with each other.
But the overt religious extremism is a threat to both the authoritarian Arab states, as it is for Israel. And I have the sense that most Arab leaders could really care less about the fate of the Palestinians, just so long as it doesn't undermine their own authority in their respective states.
So when you make your points in the future, I believe you can make cogent arguments supporting your point without resorting to race baiting against Jews.
In fact, as I've displayed out here, there is a strong case to be made that many of these Arab leaders have overt National Socialistic (Nazi) overtones, to the point where Hitler is revered amongst them.
But Hitler was not just a threat against the Jews.. He was a threat against the entire world and such sympathy for the Nazis, left unchecked, could find us back where were left off 50 years ago.
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