Re: 12/12-13/01 - YDN: Comments on "Van de Velde sues New Haven police" (continued again)
Sickening
Posted at: 12/12/01 4:24:00 AM
Posted by: Don't Want to Get beaten Up by leftists (as entered by poster)
Hey, if leftists on campus are so serious about the rights of the accused, why aren't they complaining about Yale and the NHPD ruining Van de Velde's reputation with their smear campaign following Jovin's murder. Maybe it's because Vande Velde had centrist political views, and he didn't agree with Social Justice Network's extremist political agenda. This shows the hypocrisy of Dwight Hall's SJN. They'll defend leftist anti-war protesters accused of spitting on cops, but they won't help out a centrist professor accused (without evidence) of murder. To SJN people Your bias is so obvious and nauseating. Everyone outside of your little enclave knows that you are truly loathsome people. And it is obvious to everyone that you care first about yourselves and second about your self-righteous political agenda that makes you feel better about your useless lives.
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Don't be silly
Posted at: 12/12/01 7:26:25 AM
Posted by: Yale '02 (as entered by poster)
"Don't want", don't be silly. You can't put down how you helped a conservative professor accused of murder in your Rhodes scholarship application, so why should they even bother?
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not about left or right
Posted at: 12/12/01 7:34:54 AM
Posted by: Katharine Weber (as entered by poster)
When will the NHPD seek Federal ssistance in order to investigate adequately the connection to Osama Bin Laden, the subject of Jovin's thesis?
This is not about politics left or right, this is about the truth.
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Bin Ladin?
Posted at: 12/12/01 8:07:07 AM
Posted by: HD (as entered by poster)
I am not familiar with the details of Suzanne's thesis but once again, your theory does not sound very plausible to me, at least because of the very method used to commit the murder, if nothing else.
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quite plausible
Posted at: 12/12/01 10:35:28 AM
Posted by: Katharine Weber (as entered by poster)
There has never been an adequate explanation for motive, the key to solving a crime such as this. Even if she herself was oblivious to any serious discoveries she had made in her research, it is possible that she seemed in some way to pose a security risk and was therefore eliminated.
This seems like fiction, of course, but the cold fact of the story is her inexplicable murder.
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he hasn't asked
Posted at: 12/12/01 11:01:40 AM
Posted by: SJNer (as entered by poster)
Perhaps if Van De Velde asked for assistance people might be interested in helping him. To my knowledge, he hasn't asked SJN to do anything, and we certainly can't do anything without his say so.
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Poor excuse
Posted at: 12/12/01 10:15:23 PM
Posted by: Don't Want to Get Beaten Up by Leftists (as entered by poster)
That is a poor excuse, SJNer. Millions of third-world workers don't want your so-called "help" on the sweatshop issue (just read Meghbarta at meghbarta.net. And many many grad students don't want GESO's so-called "help." But these facts have never stopped you SJN hacks from protesting "on their behalf" (when in fact you are just supporting the views of a vocal minority). The millions of Afghans starved and tortured by the Taliban never asked you to protest the war, but that never stopped you. Moreover, Van de Velde shouldn't have to ask for your help, and protesting on his behalf would actually be the right thing to do. But everyone knows how petty and dishonest SJN really is. Everyone knows that they won't help Van de Velde because he isn't exactly a doctrinaire leftist. They don't care about the rights of the accused when the accused happens to be on the other end of the political spectrum. SJN people, like Jacob Remes, Shayna Strom, Abbey Levine, etc. only care about their own petty political posturing. And nothing is more important to them than tricking themselves and others into thinking that they actually want to help people.
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SJN should support Van de Velde
Posted at: 12/13/01 3:40:10 AM
Posted by: Handsome Dan (as entered by poster)
While I agree that SJN could and should have (and still can) protested on behalf of Van de Velde without his asking, I don't think the reason they haven't done so is because of Van de Velde's political views. Am I right, SJN?
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A poor excuse for spleen
Posted at: 12/13/01 4:50:22 AM
Posted by: Joshua Cherniss (as entered by poster)
I am rather concerned, and not a little appalled, that people are trying to use the murder of a young woman, andthe ruining of a man's career, as an occassion to ventilate their fanatical political agendas and petty personal vendettas. Also, while I'm not the SJN's number one fan, I can't help but sympathize with them when they become the target for petty little twerps who don't have anything better to do with their lives than insult other people for caring about political and social issues, whether misguidedly or not. It's fine if you folks don't have lives and need to take your bitterness out on others; but can we at least have some sense of decency -- can we at least draw the line at using murder as an excuse for getting on our little hobby-horses?
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you should read
Posted at: 12/13/01 7:06:08 PM
Posted by: Responds to posts despite their utter lack of merit (as entered by poster)
To read about the history of leftists (is that the name for somone who cares about civil liberties? i never thought so before...) taking on the issue of corruption among the New Haven Police Department's detectives, you just need to read the Advocate. If you really want Yalies to take up Van De Veld's case you should organize a group to work on that type of civil liberties problem. Of course, you'd probably ignore all of the other ones people face in New Haven. But at least you'd be doing something mildly constructive...
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