HI Claude; My feel for AOL is "not" strong that she will go on down, I'm at a more of a toss up filp the coin thing right now. I play her only on her extreams, I set a target ( it's not one I have a lot of faith in that she will make it..it's a target "THAT IF" she makes it then I'll pounce. If she don't I have learned to pass..set it on the other end and insist on her getting to it before I move in. This gives me some edge..as I often set the targets a little beyond what I think she'l do..and she has more than surprised me more than once..that's it kinda..being cautions enough to make her surprise you a little, bidding on puts that o-well I won't likley get em at that price..and letting them come to me instead of taking the bait and chasing them. Now once I do get em then the fight is on. -------------------------------------- Your right I like to get in under..I'v lost enough to know to look real good at as many things as I can , but also know I can't see them all..one other trick I started doing was charting the options, some of my picks are not based on what normal people would base picking ..I see each strike price as a "pool" of Open Interest, that "pool" is people..not just numbers the chart tells me something about thoes people..I pick a lot of strike prices more by what the chart tells me of the "people" in that "pool" ...and I want in under most of them..particularly if out of the money..and I want a good size pool if I can find it..because in that pool are prospective customers when I go to sell..I know some of them will want to "average down " if it moves my way. <G> It's sort of sneaky well not so sneaky but I'm factoring in a little human nature ...oh and I can do a rough guess at were they will want to or might be willing exit, "as I know asbout what they paid " thanks to the chart, and I have an advantage with a rough idea how much to under cutting the price if need be. So it goes a little beyond what I think the stock will go to or how much the call/put should be worth should be worth that's a laugh to hell with that..what will the traffic likey be willing to pay <G> Some pools are lots better than other pools..based on the amount of early arrivals still around and what they paid, this gets handy just before ex date..when you can buy in cheap, to one thats fixing to move your way, and a lot of mullets are still hanging on sweating blood. Sort of cold way of looking at it hu ? Yep right about ex date the market makers sweep her on both sides of the strike price to shake out as many calls and puts as they can shake...hell buy in late the one just on the other side of the fence..you can almost bet they will run her over there and try to knock out some puts or calls..AOL gets wild at ex date just look back, and being in a good pool is handy there. So much for that. -------------------------- Now my average down on optins is not so normal either..if I have to I do but..then I'm ready excape on the next bobble..caused she done fooled once..I'm right proud that even thogh I missed some time back calling her top and bought in to soon ( at 54 ) I was able to buy/sell puts all the way to her climb to 62...daytrading my rear off knowing sooner or later if I kept her from biting me I'd be in at the top..well she wore me down and only niped me once, while I niped her three time as she was climbing..now that took a little skill..at handeling surprises..that's it how do you handel an unpleasent surprise..and work the volitility.. double down and then duck out..pick it up again on the next drop..but "keep some dry powder" and if you don't duck out your powder might get all burned up..so I'm only buying a half when I buy..and keeping a reserve.. and hell bent on staying within "budget".. --------------------------- Now with ADCT..I went in 10 @1..they asking 1-3/8 now..I got a stronger feeling about her going on down than I had when I went in, so if I take a second 10 even though I'm averageing up..I'm doubling my bet ( same pool )..and I'm still in under the bid if I do have to duck out. Come to think of it..even though it's not been my style..I have done that before. ----------------------------- All said and done I think each of us needs not so much find a system some one else wrote..but a "style"..that fits our own skill..and as, or if we improve on it do so in increments. ----------------------------- I'm not playing AOL right now..just the Jan Puts..they stay all or nothing..they are there for the big fall from grace that I know is coming but will also likley arrive as a suprise..even to me at the time. Now if buy some chance she don't crash by Jan..then she will have taken back all I'v worked for so long and so hard because I'v put just about all my profits out there. But by golly if she does, I'l be able to take next year off. ---------------------- I know there was something important I wanted to say, but I done rambled on so much I forgot what it was. <G> Jim O- yes your right 80% of people playing options lose money the charts proved this out to me looking at them on ex date. |