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Politics : Formerly About Advanced Micro Devices

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To: tejek who wrote (141791)1/17/2002 12:02:37 PM
From: TimF  Read Replies (1) of 1584937
 
Tim, that's not true. There are radicals/extremists in every group.

Hitler is not a more radical member of any group I belong to other then groups like "the human race", "white males", "people who lived in the 20th century", or other non-political groups. Yes you could find one or two political things that we might agree on (we both don't like communists for example) but there is no shared coherent political or philosophical world view.

There are radical liberals who would require corporations to
give money to the poor or that all profits should go to the employees.


Having all wealth given to the poor or allocated and or controlled by the government is a more radical version of the idea that a big chunk of these profits should be controlled by the government. What did Hitler have more radical versions of? Well he had a more radical anti-Semitism (kill Jews in huge numbers rather then just discriminate against them), but anti-Semitism is not conservatism. He was big on central control vested in one person. Conservatives in the US are bigger supporters of states rights then liberals.

You said Hitler was aggressive militarily and that's not typical of conservatives. Then I ask you, how
many army generals are liberals?


I said Hitler tried to conquer Europe and aggressively attacked major powers putting his country at risk. How many US army generals, or conservatives want to do something like that?

How many liberals are campaigning for the NRA?

Gun control is another example of an idea that Hitler shared with liberals. He was a big supporter of gun control, and anything else that might help him have centralize all power to himself. Not that Hitler's support of gun control makes Hitler a liberal, but your argument about the NRA is ridiculous considering the fact that Hitler supported gun control.

You say that Hitler had more gov't than would meet the approval of conservatives. Maybe. But then
Germany needed all that gov't to achieve what conservatives desire, strong control over its citizens......


Strong control over citizens is not part of conservative thought except perhaps when it comes to controlling crime. On many issues in modern America liberals are the ones campaigning for stronger control over individual citizens, and for the idea that that control should be more centralized rather then exercised at the state or local levels.

To sum up, you say Hitler is a conservative because of his military policies, which consisted of aggressively attacking other countries including major powers putting his own countries at risk, something that is not conservative by any commonly used definition. You say that he is conservative because of his view on gun control, when he supports the same position of most American liberals on this issue, and you say he is conservative because he wanted more control over German citizens, when it is the liberals who are more frequently pushing for more regulation and centralized government control.

Despite this similarities I think it would be unfair and inaccurate to call Hitler a liberal, but it is similarly unfair and inaccurate to call him a conservative. Using either word to describe Hitler expands that word to such an extent that it loses meaning and becomes to imprecise to be useful.

Tim
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