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Politics : Formerly About Advanced Micro Devices

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To: tejek who wrote (142183)1/29/2002 11:58:24 AM
From: TimF  Read Replies (1) of 1578705
 
No, its reason to restrict the number of guns in our culture period.

If we are to remain an open and free society laws imposing that would only increase deaths. Of course if we could change our culture in such a way as to diminish the number of criminals or their desire to use guns then we would make things safer but that is a complex political and sociological issue that is beyond the scope of the gun control debate.

Its outrageous that we call ourselves civilized and yet yearly, thousands of children and adults die at the
hands of gun toting maniacs or idiots who don't have a clue how to operate a weapon properly and safely. Just as
we have restrictions on who can drive or who can be a MD


It makes more sense to control cars because there are fewer of them but they result in a lot more accidental deaths. Also there is no constitutional issues involved in controlling cars. However if we were going to treat guns the way we did cars it would involve lifting a lot of the restrictions we now have on guns. Almost every adult (and some teens) would be able to take guns almost anywhere, including across state lines without having to get permission from the various jurisdictions that they move through. Also there would be almost no restrictions whatsoever on guns kept on private land.

Sorry, but I am not impressed with this waving of the flag......pro gun advocates are very good at telling us
about our constitutional rights when it comes to wielding a gun but then get very quiet, when other rights may be in
jeopardy or may be right up there in front pushing for the restriction of those rights.


Ted, you are the one pushing for restricting these other rights here. You posted more then once that the NRA should be treated as a terrorist organization. What does the NRA do? It argues for constitutional rights specifically 2nd amendment rights. But even if the 2nd amendment didn't exist the NRA would have a 1st amendment right to make the case against gun control. Does the 1st amendment only apply to people that you agree with?

And when they are not listened to or obeyed, they usually are the first to resort to use of guns to get their way.


Nonsense. The NRA is not going around shooting liberal politicians. I don't even own a gun let alone shoot people who I disagree with. This seems more like a paranoid delusion then a serious argument. You where the only one arguing to shoot anyone here namely the NRA which according to you should be treated as a terrorist organization.

..please tell me why you all are so paranoid?

I can't for the same reason I can't tell you why I am a giant insect who is about to level Tokyo, or any other thing that I am not. Being prudent doesn't mean being paranoid. Personally I don't own a gun as I live in a low crime area and a gun costs money so I see little need for it but if I did own a gun it would slightly increase, not decrease, the safety of those around me.

Where the only other super power can't afford the upkeep on its missile silos and
probably will turn them into tourist attractions to raise money for food....


China and Russia have the ability to make a devastating nuclear attack on the US. They will both keep that ability the ability of China will increase not decrease). India, Pakistan, North Korea, Iran, Iraq and others are developing this type of capability. Many countries have atleast short range ballistic missiles and chemical weapons, that could
be used against our allies or our forces overseas.

and we can't spend enough on defense to make you
guys happy.


Another untrue statement. I would argue against any defense increase that goes much beyond what Bush is planning. It looks to me that the proposed increase will enable us to keep our technological lead and readiness while replenishing weapons used up in Afghanistan. I would oppose attempts to go beyond that and actually make a significant increase in the size of our military, but without any spending increases our military will continue to shrink. I don't think we need more but if we keep getting less then at some point things get bad. Our military has done a fantastic job with shrinking resources by relying on superior training and weapons, but they can only stretch things so far before there is some consequences from doing so.

Tim
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