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To: tejek who wrote (142288)	2/3/2002 5:12:26 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (3) of 1578297

Eric, the statistics in the following links do not seem to support the suppostion you make above: True the statistics your provide do not support Eric's arguments but they do not make a strong argument against Eric either. I am only talking about the actual stats not the quotes which only show opinion and which I don't give any more weight then your opinion or mine. A link off of that site gun-control-network.org tries to counter the argument against gun control made by those who note that crime has increased in England since the gun ban, but it doesn't do a very good job of it, apparently because it misunderstands the arguement. It's central counter argument seems to be " Guns were used in only 4.7% of robberies in 1999 and 4.4% in 1998 so the problem is to a very large extent one of non-firearms crime. Our tight gun laws are undoubtedly responsible for the relatively rare use of guns in crime." However the point is not that the banning of guns has lead to an increase of gun crimes, but rather that because criminals know that people wont have a gun to defend themselves that crime and violent crime overall has increased. The information they give actually strengthens the argument against the gun ban because it shows that gun crime has also increased since guns where banned. The % of robberies where the criminal uses a firearm is only up slightly but it is up. Also since the number of robberies (and also other crimes that the web page does not address) is up by percentages in the double digits the total number of criminal use of guns is way up. Its interesting that the site is so anti-gun that it argues not only against private ownership of guns but against police normally carrying guns. Please note the immense difference between the US, and England and other countries in the rate of gun deaths per 100,000 population!!! cse.unsw.edu.au. You realize that this is info for a handful or years before or around 1920. Also it doesn't provide any information about the cultural or legal differences between the countries or between the different years looked at except mentioning the British gun control law of 1920. Since the more total gun ban in the UK in the late 90s violent crime in the UK has gone up (despite the fact that for much of that time period the UK was doing ok economically) while it has gone down in the US. Tim

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