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Politics : Foreign Affairs Discussion Group

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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (18956)2/16/2002 4:07:21 AM
From: frankw1900  Read Replies (1) of 281500
 
Polls are dangerous. They report, conveniently, the views of the hoi polloi. Something the Founding Fathers spent great effort to
box out of national decision making in founding days of this nation.


Some of them. There was quite a debate, I understand.

Given the fact that mis-education of the masses is the goal and the achievement of many in the elite, it is totally hypocritical and
disingenuous for them to trot out these silly polls to try to prove anything.


I think also you should identify the elite and exactly how they are achieving this objective of mis-education of the masses. It sounds ambitious.

Actually the extremely well informed participants of this thread didn't know about it, apparently. They read the Times, Post, etc, etc. I don't think anyone but me has trotted it out.

And the point of their discussion was whether or not there might be support in the US for military engagement in Iraq. It appears there is - the questions weren't fudged.

Foreign policy never has been driven by popular polls and never will be.

Going to war is usually undertaken with popular support and the pols usually avoid it if the support isn't there.

It will be driven by the convenience of the political fixers
working the will of the corporate elite.


Sometimes they do this and get in trouble - see Enron /India - but mostly they don't. On the otherhand, as a fella once said, in circumstances slighty discrediting, the business of america is business and indeed, that's what most folk here and most other places are doing: business. So there is rather a larger interest at play than you will admit.

What is it that JPM-Chase and Citibank want us to do with the "Axel of Evil"? If you answer
that, you've predicted American foreign policy


They are large organizations Probably quite remarkable differences of opinion within them as with the american people. The tone of your post suggests they are venal. No doubt some of them are, but not the majority as with the majority of the american people.

Prediction: No war. Concessions extracted instead.

Big ones? Real ones? Do you really, really, in your heart of hearts, believe he'll keep his word? Remember, Hussein is a professional assassin and a psychopath.

The stranglehold of the blue-eyed sheiks of Houston to continue a while
longer. This stuff is totally cynical.


Umm. Saddam's nerve gas and munitions program destined to underpin the nazi/Baath party, his equally nasty sons, and the expansionist ambitions they have? Perhaps W and all are being realistic and working to bite the bullet, rather than being as you say, "cynic" which I do believe you are using as a synonym for 'dishonest'.

But profitable, if you can just fool the public. Which isn't much of a challenge.

You underestimate us. Just as the rabid right did when it was chasing down Clinton and paid for it.

I think you should re-evaluate your position.
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