re-post: Message 17174326
To:Addi who wrote (1293)
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST Friday, Mar 8, 2002 7:27 PM
Respond to of 1298
To the thread,
If someone would be so kind to move this to the "Islam, The Message" thread, I would appreciate it. I was banned once again and cannot do it myself.
Message 17169359
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Amein,
You ban me in response to this post...
Message 17155213
You respond to my post, with this...
Message 17169243
And then this...
Message 17169359
A post in which you ask me numerous questions, and then don't allow me to respond. For example, you have 15 question marks in your post. How could I answer even one with the censorship you impose?
I made the following statements, and I am going to back everyone of them up with your own posts:
"you have come back with illogical arguments, not gotten back to me at all to some of my posts, and posted non-referenced and biased material. In addition you have banned me, for a time, from posting because you could not accept what I was saying."
"Additionally, I am willing to study your scriptures and invest time in understanding them more than you are. I can show you an example of something I was pointing out to you in the Islamic scriptures which I knew something about, and you said you had no time to do so, and also admitted you knew nothing about it. You have admitted you have not read a lot of the Islamic scripture, but yet me being a Christian, I am willing to invest a lot of my time in reading the scriptures, even though I do not believe in them, and have very little to gain. So say I am very biased against Islam all you want, but any attitude I have towards Islam is based on study. Your belief and defense of Islam is based upon an incomplete study of it (as admitted by yourself). And you are not interested at all in spending the additional time studying it to know the truth about what you defend."
"Also Amein, like it or not, you took on a major responsibility when you advertised to all SI members you were going to try to show the true message of Islam here. Well by doing so, you should be willing to study anything anyone wants to, and make sure your defense of Islam is to the fullest, and completely. What you have done, ironically, in my opinion, is show many the true message of Islam, by your illogical and uneducated arguments, your willingness to blindly defend a religion you admittedly have not fully studied, your censorship tactics, your non-referenced posts feeding false and biased information, your crude remarks and insults usually slung at people instead of answering questions they are asking. And I will support everything, everything I said here, if you want me to. And this "is not meant as an insult by any means... merely pointing to the obvious..."
(Another quote from you to me!)"
Lets go to the videotape...
Advertisement of your intent:
"Islam, The Message"
"This thread is to serve as a resource for information about Islam and to try to shed some light on some verses in The Holy Qur'an. In particular, verses that have been taken out of context or translated in a twisted manner."
"The goal here is what is stated, to provide links to resources and debunk misrepresentations of Qur'an and Islam and clarify misunderstandings of it."
Subject 51951
Your integrity:
You said, "IGIT, first, I don't threaten anybody"
Message 16741554
... but do you or not, "And finally IGIT, THANK you for your last gratuitous remarks...another sure way to get you banned from here... however, whether I ban you or not will have to wait for your next post... HOW is that ?"
Message 17169243
..and then, without my response, you do this...
Message 17169359
Self admission of not studying the Quran fully, not willing to study a specific topic in it:
Message 16993793
Illogical responses (on verse 2:190):
Message 16724312
(Oh no! Your logic wasn't working on 2:190. Had to reach for another explanation! Now you go to a book!) Your next illogical explanation of the verse in the Quran 2:190:
Message 16693240
...followed my explanation showing the writers flawed logic:
Message 16711791
...followed by an incomplete answer, never addressing my original objection to your writer, and a reasonable explanation of a verse:
Message 16719637
Your inability to understand simple logic:
Message 16725480
Non-responses:
Message 16763309
Message 16998206
Irrational censorship, twice, based upon a weak argument, because I used you as an example in one of my posts:
Message 16706470
...and then asking me questions, and then before I answer, you block me again:
Message 17169359
Your warning to beware of bad sources:
Message 16747251
...but then you post this biased document, which can not be found anywhere:
Message 16725501
... your response to get the source:
Message 16733426
... but of course, you never did! I gently remind you, but to no avail:
Message 16763353
Your unbelievable statement that a so called book from God (the Quran) could not be understood by all:
Message 16729902 - the question
Message 16733423 - your answer
Message 16724352 - again the question
Message 16725486 - again your answer
Baseless insults instead of answers:
Message 17145551
Well, if I would have posted what you have posted to others related to these topics, no one would read this post because it would be too long, which it probably already is. This is just conversations between you and I. And there are worse examples out there to be read on your thread.
So, if you will not lift the ban on me, I will let the above show what the true message of Islam is, as evidenced by you.
Good work and thanks....
God Bless,
IGIT |
