I've got five posts, you've rotisseried me black, and I must sleep instead of respond, much.
Re: "trying to paint "anti-free-traders" into big government liberals is not only disingenuous, it shows how desperate you are."
John Maynard Keynes: Notably remembered for promoting the supposed benefits of deficit spending/big government. Period. I painted him correctly and desperation didn't enter into it. However, offering your vision of my thoughts thusly:
"i suppose all the presidents i listed plus people like hamilton, henry clay, alan keyes, buchanan, etc are all big govt liberals. uh huh!"
SURELY does show desperation, for you attribute to me a notion quite foreign to my comments and thoughts here. This is naught but tom-foolery.
So Jefferson was an ardent free trader in his youth? Huh! I wonder how that could have happened...reading you one might imagine the concept didn't exist yet. I didn't come here to say there weren't many/any Republican protectionists, I've understood they exist(ed), and believed they are/were wrong, for some time now. Name dropping won't further either of our arguments, IMO. I believe Free Trade is consistent with conservative principles, and I believe that all the historical conservatives you name repeatedly here, likely knew it well. I don't have to make it so, it is so. The nature of free trade theory is simply a basis of traditional conservative principles. I believe I've heard Pat Blewcannon, for instance, weave his way through this, admitting what I'm telling you quite despite his differing opinion on the matter itself. I only care to promote the notion that he is indeed wrong.
Re: "whomever got away from the halls of academia...discovered that free trade fails to take into account human nature, which cannot be accounted for in an economic equation."
Oh? And a government decreeing the rule of a tariff accurately CAN account for human nature? LOL, dude. Long live the invisible hand- it DOES account for human nature, much better than a tariff ever will, anyway.
RE: "...communism....proved to be a total disaster just like free trade is proving. karl marx predicted as much."
Marx predicted his surplus value theory would overrule capitalism, and he evolved to note the error in his ways before his death.
Free trade simply is not proving to be a disaster, IMHO. I'm quite confident too, that your supposed historical expamples like G.B., for instance, can be fairly viewed quite differently than as you report it.
For all the Republican protectionist name dropping you do, the fact that you allude to Keynes and Marx in stride, might indicate strongly to the still unsure reader, that tariffs are NOT rooted in traditional conservative principles. It just ain't so, despite all your name-dropping. Yes, many individual conservatives have long supported tariffs, even Libertarian Harry Browne, whom I voted for, supports using only the constitutional tariffs our founding fathers instituted, to fund our government. But tariffs aren't consistent with conservative principles, and a whole mess of consevatives/libertarians see it just as I damn well do.
Re: "free trade is for young and naive, intellectual minds, which are full of wonder and splendor about all the noble things man can achieve when the world unites in trade and culture. it is a utopian fantasy"
Free Trade is for free peoples, young and naive, old and wise, or in-between who are fully understanding that it offers no utopia, but merely the best roadbed upon which to travel in seeking an always laudable utopian goal that may never be reached.
You fool;-)....Freedom Does Work,
Dan B |
