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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (25248)	4/15/2002 3:05:00 AM
From: jttmab	Read Replies (1) of 281500

We do know that they have booby-trapped buildings, and waged firefights in urban areas without much regard for civlian casualties. They have even been blowing up Arabs as well as Jews in their recent suicide attacks. So what's so hard to believe? We also know that the IDF has said that the Franciscans in the Church of the Nativity are "hostages". That's believable. We also know that the Vatican spokesman for the Nativity has said that the Franciscans are there voluntarily. All we have left to do is to decide whether we believe the believable, sic, they are hostages, or to believe the Vatican spokesman. I have no doubt that there are people that absolutely believe the IDF and there are people that will believe the Vatican spokesman; and each of them will find the others opinion unbelieveable. The Israelis have admitted that they use and will continue to use Palestinian civilians as shields to enter buildings. Since those buildings are booby trapped, does that imply anything about the Israeli regard for civilian causualties? I watched a short segment on CNN last night where a Christian Minister [or Priest] was walking with a news reporter around the Church of the Nativity. The IDF warned them that they should leave, because it wasn't safe. That sure is believable; no question there. They continued their walk, and eventually an IDF soldier cocked his automatic weapon and said, you either leave or I'll shoot. It's darn hard to believe that the IDF soldier was going to shoot the two of them, for their own safety. And I'm pretty certain that is not the official position of the IDF. A number of days ago an IDF General said that there were hundreds of Palestinian dead; shortly after that the IDF "clarified" what the general said...the number was withdrawn because there was no accurate count. While I'm sure there is no accurate count, I doubt that was the reason for the clarification. Once the Israeli Supreme Court ruled that the IDF had to return the Palestinian bodies to their families, the Israelis said there were 10's not 100's. The IDF also got a clause into the ruling that if the Palestinians delayed in claiming the bodies, they could be buried by the IDF immediately. I suppose there's as much flexibility in interpreting "delayed" as there is in interpreting "without delay". jttmab

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