Len,
The original question you posted was "I thought the Nazis created the Palestinian problem? Or do you feel that the Zionists needed dead Jews in Europe to terrorize the British and Arab civilians in Palestine and to wheedle the West into foisting a "Jewish" State on the Arab world?"
Then you went on to state your opinion "You must be referring to the Zionist movement that began in Palestine in the late 1800s.
IMHO, there was no Palestinian problem at the time. The Jews who went to Palestine at that time, were purchasing land. It was not given to them by a foreign power.
The trouble came when a State was declared and land given to others, especially others from far, far away."
The starting point of the problem was when the Romans expelled the Jews from the land in 63 BC as punishment for a war they had with them, and renamed it Syria Palestina (this name was picked as a slap in the face to the Jews, after the enemies of the past, the Philistines). Thats where the name Palestine is even derived from.
But you are correct when you bring up the Zionist Movement in 1881 moving in to the land of Syria Palestina, or then already known as Palestine, as when the trouble really heated up.
But did you know the momentum for a Jewish homeland in Palestine started before the Zionist movement in 1881?
Did you know around 1903 about the "Uganda Plan", to create a Jewish homeland in Uganda, which the Zionists rejected because they wanted their land to be where it originally was?
How about 1917, the British Balfour Declaration when it was stated "all necessary measures shall be taken to encourage and stimulate immigration of Jews into Palestine on a large scale"? And the definition of Palestine at that time was a whole lot bigger than what Palestine is right now.
How about all the Muslim terrorism going on before WWII in this region?
I have only touched on some things dealing with Palestine, but enough to make this point. When You first stated, "I thought the Nazis created the Palestinian problem?", that was way after the fact of when the Palestinian problem started. And then when you said, "Or do you feel that the Zionists needed dead Jews in Europe to terrorize the British and Arab civilians in Palestine and to wheedle the West into foisting a "Jewish" State on the Arab world?". Well, I am not even sure where you have come up with such a theory. But it so wrong, I won't even go there.
Go back to the 1800's and find out why people were pushing for a homeland for the Jews. Then you'll see your way off the beam with your question.
Some evidence....
Napoleon even recognized for the Jews to be reinstated in Israel. In 1799 he said, "Israelites arise! Now is the moment...to claim your political existence as a nation among nations!" [Napolean quoted in Peter Grose, Israel in the Mind of America (New York: Knopf, 11983), p.8]. He said this when his armies were about 25 miles from Jerusalem.
In 1840, British foreign minister, Lord Palmerston, stated it would be to the Ottoman sultans advantage if "the Jews who are scattered throughout other countries in Europe and Africa should be induced to go and settle in Palestine" [Palmerston quoted in Leonard Stein, The Balfour Declaration (London: Vallentine, Mitchell and Co., 1961), pp. 6-7]
In 1845, Governer of Southern Australia and the founder of the Palestine Colonization Fund, Sir George Gawler urged, "Replenish the farms and the fields of Palestine with the energetic people whose warmest affection are rooted in the soil" [George Gawler, Tranquillisation of Syria and the East (London: T. and W. Boone, 1845), p. 6.], of course speaking about the Jews.
In 1847, Lord Lindsay wrote that the "Jewish race, so wonderfully perserved, may yet have another stage of national existence open to them, may once more obtain possession of their native land" [A.W.C Crawford, Lord Lindsay, Letters on Egypt, Edom and the Holy Land (London: Henry G. Bohn, 1858), p. xi.]
...and the list goes on and on!
Your humble opinion sounds like it is coming from a Muslim influenced source, and IMHO you bought into their pack of lies. Just check out the Muslim terrorism going on in the 20's in this area, and you will realize the Muslim terrorism problem and unrest started long before Israel was declared a state in 1948.
The problem between Jews and todays Palestinian (because Jews as a group were predominately called Palestinians long before Arabs were) actually started, if you really want to know, with Muhammad, and the start of Islam.....
God Bless,
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