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To: michael97123 who wrote (698)4/24/2002 2:45:53 PM
From: runes  Read Replies (1) of 786
 
Michael -

First, I am not ignoring you per se. But you keep throwing out inflamatory statements like drinking beer from skulls blah, blah, blah. These are the rhetoric of hate - I won't respond to those kinds of statements no matter who may or may not have said them.

Arabs are Arabs -
...And some Arabs are Christians and some Arabs are Jews and all Arabs are Semites. But the Israelis are (mostly) European refugees. So I guess that Europe should take them back and leave the Semitic lands to the Semites?
...Gross generalizations and simplistic arguments prove nothing and accomplish nothing. Which is to say that both sides have their own versions which (surprise, surprise) always show "we're right, you're wrong".
...BTW - this rhetoric is disgustingly similar to the racist attitude in the '70s that all blacks should be shipped back to Africa where "they belong". The Palestinians belong in Palestine and they should not be shipped anywhere else.

Right of Self Defense -
...Right of return (of the Jews), Right of return of the Palestinians, (Right of return of the Christians?) Right to Self Determination, Right of self defense (Israeli), Right of self defense (Palestinian). Thats half the problem - everyone is so wrapped up with their own "rights" that they are oblivious to the rights of those around them.
As for the right of self defense - I don't accept that that includes the right of occupation, the right to operate death squads, the right to destroy civilian infrastructure, the right to terrorize a civilian population by sniping at people looking for food and water. Those are offensive actions which inflict terror upon a population.
...(I know - that brings us back to "but they started it!")

<No matter what they do they are villified anyway so why bother>
...I would like to chide you for expressing a classic juvenile attitude. Sadly, that is about the maturity level of this conflict - on all sides.

2 state solution -
...I would like to point out that that is what I consider to be the most likely solution but not the best solution. The best solution would be to merge everyone into a single country called "Holy Land" which then becomes a global tourist trap. "Come stay at the Manger Hotel - kids under 5 get to sleep in a manger free!". The economy and quality of life would be so much improved across the board. But noooo - the Palestinians said "Mine, mine, mine!!!" and Israelis came and said "Mine, mine, mine!!!" and the British just sat there and washed their hands. So the Promised Land became the land of the accursed with misery and suffering for all.
...Biblical justice!
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