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Pastimes : THE SLIGHTLY MODERATED BOXING RING

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To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (11652)5/2/2002 1:51:44 PM
From: Rick Julian  Read Replies (4) of 21057
 
I don't know if your mind is limber enough to apprehend the notion. Truly.

Here are a few folks whose (minds) are:

Eugene Wigner
In addition to winning the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1963, Dr. Wigner also worked on the Manhattan Project at the University of Chicago during World War II, from 1942 to 1945, and in 1946-1947 became Director of Research and Development at Clinton Laboratories. Official recognition of his work in nuclear research includes the U. S. Medal for Merit, presented in 1946; the Enrico Fermi Prize (U.S.A.E.C.) awarded in 1958; and the Atoms for Peace Award, in 1960. Dr. Wigner holds the Medal of the Franklin Society, the Max Planck Medal of the German Physical Society, the George Washington Award of the American-Hungarian Studies Foundation (1964), the Semmelweiss Medal of the American-Hungarian Medical Association (1965), and the National Medal of Science (1969).

That guy once said: "The laws of quantum mechanics itself cannot be formulated . . . without recourse to the concept of consciousness" (Wigner 1961).

John Archibald Wheeler
The fellow who coined the term "Black Hole". He said, "No elementary quantum phenomenon is a phenomenon until it is a registered phenomenon. . . . In some strange sense, this is a participatory universe" (Wheeler 1982)

In their book "The Conscious Universe", Astrophysicist Menas Kafatos (Ph.D. 1972, MIT) and Philosopher Robert Nadeau interpret the wave function as ultimate reality itself: ". . . Being, in its physical analogue at least, [has] been 'revealed' in the wave function. . . . . any sense we have of profound unity with the cosmos . . . could be presumed to correlate with the action of the deterministic wave function. . ." (Kafatos 1990).

Physicist Amit Goswami sees a "self-aware universe," with quantum mechanics providing support for claims of paranormal phenomena. He says: ". . . psychic phenomena, such as distant viewing and out-of-body experiences, are examples of the nonlocal operation of consciousness . . . Quantum mechanics undergirds such a theory by providing crucial support for the case of nonlocality of consciousness"
(Goswami 1993).

Now whether we (the scientists referenced above and myself) are correct in our suppositions is open for debate, but at a minimum I would suggest that these scientists' substantiation of my notion legitimizes this discussion in some sense.

Based on your self assessment of your level of scientific knowledge, I assume you are quite accomplished (in some specialty) in the field. What is your esteemed scientific opinion of their conceptions of the correlation between physics and metaphysics?
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