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To: thames_sider who wrote (12534)	5/9/2002 12:14:57 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	of 21057

hard RW by European standards No wonder you Euros are so appalled by the US. You were the home of rational political thought and you've forgotten how to do it. Did you learn nothing from Thatcher? Have you forgotten the UK was "the sick man of Europe" before her? Does this sound "hard RW"? In truth Fortuyn defied easy categorisation but in some ways his views on immigration were just dealing with the inherent contradictions between distributive statism's prerequisite of homogeneity (the need for a quantifiable unit called 'citizen') and the dis-incentivization for cultural assimilation and social integration inherent in welfare statism. Much of what he said has also been said by Ilana Mercer (who is a top flight pukka libertarian with whom I just happen to disagree regarding the implications of immigration in a free society) as well as many cultural conservatives. Orrin Judd takes the view that the essence of Fortuyn was just about advocating sexual licence (a word loaded with political meanings I reject) whilst himself not tolerating religious based distaste in others for Fortuyn's overt homosexuality. Yet having read some of what he said and trying to filter out the political populist crap that all democratic political figures encode their words with, it seems clear to me that what Fortuyn really opposed was the fact within the Muslim community in the Netherlands were elements who wanted to translate their lack of acceptance into intolerance. samizdata.blogspot.com Fortuyn is not racist: he discriminates on the issue of Dutch language skills as a measure of cultural integration. The Muslim immigrants refuse to learn Dutch and are thus seen as being 'unavailable for democratic dialogue'. Fortuyn says that he wishes a new anti-discrimination paragraph in the Dutch constitution because he wants to criticize the Islamic immigrants who refuse to accept western norms of human rights. He says that inciting violence against these groups should be banned, but not merely criticizing them. He is a sociology professor and proud to be gay, and he says he is quite thankful for the Dutch Liberal democracy for the fact that he need not hide away all his life because of his sexual orientation. He accuses the non-Dutch speaking immigrants of hatred towards homosexuals, extreme oppression of women, sexism and such things, thus he should not be lumped in with the 'far right' like Le Pen. ............................................................................................................................. Also not indicative of neo-fascist views is Fortuyn's anti-militarism: he wants to have a Dutch navy only, but no army or airforce. samizdata.blogspot.com Not to me. You should pray every night for the US. We are your last hope.

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