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Pastimes : THE SLIGHTLY MODERATED BOXING RING

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To: TimF who wrote (11956)5/10/2002 1:55:56 AM
From: Solon  Read Replies (1) of 21057
 
"it doesn't stop you from coming to conclusions about their character and motivations"

People of extremist viewpoints declare themselves by very overt actions and words. It is not necessary that one be a licensed psychoanalyst in order to correctly use common words such as homophobia, meandering, augmentation, or pulchritude. I'm sure we could all act confused over "agoraphobia", too. (abnormal fear of being helpless in an embarrassing or unescapable situation that is characterized especially by the avoidance of open or public places). We could voice our objection to the fear being described as "abnormal". We could say we agree with "unescapable" but that "embarassing" is puzzling and misleading. And on and on. But it would probably only alert others to the fact that we had a hidden agenda.

"It is probably an important motivation for a number of people in this group but it would not be the only or main motivation for all of them."

Not all that relevant. The etymological roots of words do not necessarily or even commonly depict modern derivative meanings. People know that homophobia refers to irrational and ugly ideas and behaviour toward gays. The etymological history of a word is largely irrelevant to being able to use it correctly and appropriately.

"Does that indicate that homosexuals are a legitimate target of hatred, and that therefore you are not sure whether a word is needed to describe the hate?

No.

Is that why you are not sure whether such a word is needed?

No.


Hmmm....but you are still "not sure". The only other explanation I can think of for your being "not sure" would be that you don't think they are discriminated against or irrationally hated, or, if they are, that it ought not to be remarked upon. I certainly thought my questions as to why you were "not sure" covered reasonable inferences. However, your curt responses indicate to me that your uncertainty is a private matter, so I will leave it at that.
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