Any intelligent adult can, with a little review, teach the sorts of things that are taught in grade school. Why are education colleges needed? You yourself said certificates mean nothing.
And there we are, you've arrived at the point that there's no need for education schools, no need for 'majors' for that matter; no need for 'B' averages and no need to pass with distinction.
Private industry? They operate by using a starting assumption that, say, an engineering degree means you at least have the potential to engineer. If you prove them wrong, they fire you.
In your dreams...why do you think that Dilbert cartoons are plastered on cubes all over the country. Dilbert was based on Pac Bell, the private sector. Scott Adams's in-box is loaded with ideas that will last 20 lifetimes.
The wonders of education colleges? Remember that "whole word" approach to teaching reading? That was one of their jewels. Produced a generation of semi-illiterates.
And the wonders of the private sector...IBM's study that said there was no market for PCs. I finally figured out what you might have been talking about in financial innovation....Enron. Coca-cola's stroke of genius in changing the recipe for Coke; how about the brilliant idea they floated around the board room at Coca-cola to charge more for Coke products purchased from vending machines the higher the outside temperature. Which tobacco company did a study recently that concluded that smoking by the public saved government money, because the smokers died earlier.
.lot's of sleeping went on in those classes. In most of those classes
And lots of flunking by those who did. Maybe you weren't, but I was told that once I hit college, no one was going to hold my hand and cajole me to get that education. It was up to me. It's called "being an adult."
You've been studying Neocon's tactics too much.
no one was going to hold my hand and cajole me to get that education.
I was told that by my parents [and the nuns] when I was in elementary school. What took your parents so long?
One of the problems with education in this country is that the teacher's unions make that an impossibility. By the time you've seen enough to form a judgement, they've been around long enough that they get to stay forever. The union will protect the most incompetent of the lot.
Care to back that up with any comprehensive work? Maybe you'll throw up a handfull of examples out of how many millions of teachers?
we weren't allowed to ask questions, those were to be deferred to the grad students.
And the problem is?
I would say that if someone is standing up on stage claiming to be teaching, and can't communicate a concept, I ought to be able to ask the bozo to explain what in the hell he's trying to say. University is a business arrangement. I'm paying that professor to teach. I have a responsibility to learn, but I'm not paying the prof to suck coffee, enjoy the scenery and pass me off to grad students. If it's the grad students that are doing the teaching, let's get rid of the Ph.D.
And the people in the higher income areas pay more into the education budget. Why shouldn't they get more back? And if you didn't give them more, they put their kids in private schools.
I'd get a real kick to see how far you would get with that as a public policy...wealthy people get more. I guess that is what the conservatives want, an oligarchy.
And if you didn't give them more, they put their kids in private schools.
I don't give a damn where they send their snotty little kids.
Then you liberals complain about that they're getting a better education in the private schools.
Right. You're talking to the guy that wants to eliminate the tax deduction for people that have children, because that results in a greater demand on the government infrastructure.
Let's try this again: EVERY JOB HAS IT'S SCUT WORK!
When's the last time you watched that cable tester to make sure it didn't cheat? As a Senior Systems Engineer or Senior Scientist, I never saw any SCUT work in my in basket. As a practice head the people working for me, never had any SCUT work. That's not what I was paying them for.
The fact that a teacher has to play hall monitor DOES NOT mean they need a 2-semester "Audiovisual Media" course in college.
Studying Neocon too much again. There's no relationship between the two and I never said that there was. You say "need" a 2-semester "Audiovisual Media" course in college. What does need mean? Is that a required by the education program or is it an elective? You never took 'electives' in university, no doubt. <LOL>
'My father says that people who can, do; people that can't, teach'.
Truth hurts?
This is coming from someone that has a software project that is a factor of 20 overbudget? Where is that on the scale of gross incompetence?
I've had to do my share of training on equipment and systems that I have expertise on in my career and I've never been inside a School of Education. So what?
And who many of those people were 8 year olds? Plus you don't seem to include any information as to whether they actually learned anything did you? Or whether that learning was retained and for how long. You just taught. Did you teach them how to overrun jobs by a factor of 20, or is that on the job training in your company?
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