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Strategies & Market Trends : Zeev's Turnips - No Politics

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To: Steve Lee who started this subject7/1/2002 1:47:43 AM
From: augieboo  Read Replies (4) of 99280
 
PLEASE READ THIS! Appended below is, perhaps, the
most important post ever made on SI -- certainly the most
talked about that I know of. (No, I'm not blowing my own
horn, I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.)

Many of you have probably read it before, but a re-read
is both instructive and rather amazing. I think everybody
should read it once a month -- even those, (like myself),
who have always been skeptical of e-waves and cycle analysis
in general.

Here is where it I acquired it.
Message 17076833

The short intro is by AllansAlias.

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Sorry, I am presuming that folks have seen the TommyBear
post before. It's been talked about sooo many times. Here
is the entire thing:
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The Upcoming Killer Wave & Cycle Bloodbath:
Part II
Posted By: Tommy Bear
Date: Sunday, 12 November 2000, at 3:13 p.m.
[Condensed from a series of e-mails made available August
17, 2000; Revised November 12, 2000]

Before I begin, you should know that I agree with Robert
Prechter that the next major bear market in the Dow will
be of Grand Supercycle degree. The last time a Grand
Supercycle bear market began was 1720, the year of the
peak of England's South Sea Bubble and France's
Mississippi Madness. Although that bear market lasted
approximately 64 years, the first leg down was the most
vicious part, collapsing stocks 98% in just two years.
While that leg down was of Supercycle degree (i.e., the
same degree as the entire 1929-1932 move which brought
stocks down 89% in just shy of 3 years), it was
particularly vicious because it was a down leg in a Grand
Supercycle BEAR market (whereas the 1929-1932 down move
was a corrective wave in a Grand Supercycle BULL market).
By contrast, the two Cycle degree bear markets since 1932
brought stocks down 52% in 5 years (1937-1942) and 45% in
two years (1973-1974), i.e., much more modest declines by
comparison.

Although Prechter anticipates the next Grand Supercycle
bear market to be approximately 100 years in length, the
only portion that concerns me at this point is the first
Supercycle leg down in that bear market, as that move is
likely to exceed the intensity of the 1929-1932
experience. As the 1929 down move occurred over a 34 month
period (a Fibonacci number), my best guess at this point
is that the upcoming down move may be close to a Fibonacci
1.618 times as long or approximately 55 months in length
(another Fibonacci number). The expected decline in the
Dow during this period is 91% to 98%.

Robert Prechter, in "At the Crest of the Tidal Wave,"
said, on the subject of the probable pattern of the first
leg down: "Regardless of which specific long term pattern
ultimately unfolds at Grand Supercycle degree, there is no
question that the first Supercycle degree decline will be
of the zigzag family. It will be composed of three waves,
to be labeled A-B-C or W-X-Y. Every initial decline
through Primary degree (the "first" waves), and probably
through Cycle degree (Wave A), will be composed of five
waves in order to be compatible with the larger trend." To
translate this for you non-Elliott Wavers, the first big
move down (Cycle Wave A) should be a 5 wave move (down-up
-down-up-down), followed by a big move up (Cycle Wave B)
in a 3 wave move (up-down-up), then followed by a final
big move down (Cycle Wave C) in a 5 wave move (down-up
-down-up-down).

The most logical time pattern of this sequence, if indeed
it is approximately 55 months in length, would be a Wave A
that is a Fibonacci 21 months in length, a Wave B that is
a Fibonacci 13 months in length and a Wave C that is a
Fibonacci 21 months in length (i.e., equal in time to Wave
A). For Wave B, it would be logical for the breakdown of
that 13 month move to be an up leg of 5 months, followed
by a down leg of 3 months, then followed by another up leg
of 5 months. Again, this is purely guess work at this
point but, as I said, I'm searching for the most probable
bearish pattern if the Dow did indeed reach its Grand
Supercycle Wave III peak on January 14th.

If we were forced to modify the above ideal Elliott Wave
scenario based on what the cycles tell us, the big
surprise is that little modification is necessary. As you
will see, the cycles project a move that is 54 months in
length, consisting of a 20 month five wave down move, a 14
month three wave up move, then a 20 month five wave down
move. The up move is broken down into 5 up months,
followed by 4 down months, then followed by 5 up months,
i.e., very close to the 5-3-5 sequence stated above.

Here's the breakdown by wave and month. The first column
references the location within the 8.6 month cycle, and
the second column references the location within the 40
month cycle; months that have brackets are key months
under Armstrong's 8.6 year cycle analysis; the month
designated with "G" is the month in which gold's 8 year
cycle is expected to bottom; and the month designated
with "K" is the month in which the 55 year K-Wave cycle is
expected to bottom:

Cycle Wave A

Wave (1) Down
Jan. 2000 7 27
Feb. 2000 8 28
Mar. 2000 9 29

Wave (2) Up (most probable corrective pattern: sideways)
Apr. 2000 1 30
May 2000 2 31
June 2000 3 32
July 2000 4 33
Aug. 2000 5 34

Wave (3) Down
Sep. 2000 6 35
Oct. 2000 7 36
Nov. 2000 8 37
Dec. 2000 1 38
Jan. 2001 2 39
Feb. 2001 3 40 G (Gold bottom)

Wave (4) Up (most probable corrective pattern: sharp)
Mar. 2001 4 1
Apr. 2001 5 2

Wave (5) Down
May 2001 6 3
June 2001 7 4
July 2001 8 5
Aug. 2001 9 6

Cycle Wave B

Wave (A) Up
Sep. 2001 1 7
Oct. 2001 2 8
Nov. 2001 3 9
Dec. 2001 4 10
Jan. 2002 5 11

Wave (B) Down
Feb. 2002 6 12
Mar. 2002 7 13
Apr. 2002 8 14
May 2002 9 15

Wave (C) Up
June 2002 1 16
July 2002 2 17
Aug. 2002 3 18
Sep. 2002 4 19
Oct. 2002 5 20

Cycle Wave C

Wave (1) Down
[Nov. 2002] 6 21
Dec. 2002 7 22
Jan. 2003 8 23

Wave (2) Up (most probable corrective pattern: sideways)
Feb. 2003 1 24
Mar. 2003 2 25
Apr. 2003 3 26
May 2003 4 27

Wave (3) Down
June 2003 5 28
July 2003 6 29
Aug. 2003 7 30
Sep. 2003 8 31
Oct. 2003 9 32

Wave (4) Up (most probable corrective pattern: sharp)
Nov. 2003 1 33
Dec. 2003 2 34
Jan. 2004 3 35

Wave (5) Down
Feb. 2004 4 36
Mar. 2004 5 37
Apr. 2004 6 38
May 2004 7 39
June 2004 8 40 K

It makes sense to consider the last month of a given wave
and the first month of the next wave to be a transition
period in which the Dow searches for a peak or trough
before making a move in the opposite direction.

Now for the disclaimer: The above scenario is merely my
best possible guess of how the Dow may move in a Grand
Supercycle bear market based solely on the cycle patterns
I provided in an earlier post and the most bearish Elliott
Wave interpretation from this point forward using Robert
Prechter's work. As even under the best of circumstances a
given cycle may turn out to be up to 5 percent longer or
shorter (in my experience) than its average duration, the
above calendar obviously states a degree of precision not
likely to be anywhere close to the actual case. And, of
course, Prechter has been known to be early, so keep an
eye on the outside K-Wave date that ends in early 2007.
Finally, this entire analysis assumes the Dow reached its
final peak in January of this year. If that turns out to
be incorrect (as evidenced by a new high in the Dow
occurring at any time after that), the above analysis will
need to be revised based on the month of such later peak.

Given the very high odds that the above analysis will be
off, you may wonder why I decided to spend the time to
undertake this project and share it with you. My main
reason is to make it clear to you in no uncertain terms
that very powerful downward cycle forces are kicking in
over the next few years and, with the prospect of a Grand
Supercycle bear market also getting closer by the day, the
combination could be quite lethal to those not prepared,
whether by virtue of the positions in their investment
portfolios or the risks taken in their personal lives
(e.g., high debt levels, employed in a job that will not
survive in a depression, etc.). There are also significant
non-financial risks at play here, with the prospects of
serious invasions of privacy and serious threats of
physical violence becoming increasingly likely, especially
during Cycle Wave C's decline, when final hopes are dashed.

Although as a long term trader, I call 'em the way I see
'em, as a humanist, I hope I'm wrong, especially as to the
intensity and depth of the expected financial and economic
decline. This country has never had a Supercycle degree
decline without an economic depression. I hope people
everywhere use this opportunity to reevaluate what's
important to them, to see that, regardless of severely
reduced job and financial prospects, they are and remain,
as wealthy as ever.

Tommy Bear
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