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Politics : Stockman Scott's Political Debate Porch

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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (5908)9/9/2002 1:43:56 AM
From: jjkirk  Read Replies (1) of 89467
 
Re: What's even worse is that some of this evidence opened the possibility that people in the US government knew as well.

To quote my hero..."There you go again."

Ray, please don't waste our time with these monday morning quarterbacks who have an ax to grind with an administration governed by principles, not polls. Are there challenges in Pakistan? Yes. Has US funding gone to the wrong people? Probably not the first time...

Again, I invite your attention to our resident SI Pakistani to shed light on the very difficult situation faced by Musharraf. As I know you are vitally interested in this situation, please read Iqbal and bring back to this thread your lucid response...it should be interesting....As always,....jj

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Hawkmoon who wrote (43249)
From: IQBAL LATIF
Saturday, Sep 7, 2002 2:55 AM
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<<Ike.. Just curious.. Do you think that the US is getting "it's money's worth" out of supporting Musharraf, or
would you agree that it's really not in his interest to take all the steps necessary to crack down on Al-Qaida to any
significant degree so that he can negotiate for even more foreign aid??>>

My opening defence would be 'Mush or a dictator like him appears only when democrats like BB [Former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto] welcome them like she did on 12th Oct 1999..!!' These 'leaders' are like kids once in opposition they plan to bring the other down that is one reason we see Mush in power. The greed and lust of power of the political leadership where sitting in opposition is frowned, no one send her out of her self imposed exile she did it out of her own accord because she does not want to pay back the missing millions.

1-Pakistan has received according to Mr Shauket Aziz Finance Minister a 700 million $ in aid directly related to
Post 11th Sept. Pakistan has lost 3 billon $ in lost orders on its exports and set back to economy and higher war
premiums from Oct to March 2002 as a result of war against terror in Afghanistan launched from Arabian Sea
across Pakistani shore. It could have bloody lost everything if they have done anything else anyway. From British
Raj days no one has ever taken on these fiercely independent tribes, the way Army is handling them is like putting
Pakistan very existence on line, the Pusthoons on this side of the border if decide to go against the will of the so-
called dictator they can overthrow his government, I am for one is very pleasantly surprised by the muted response
that these extremists and people who harbour them are getting, this is no milking but really effort.

<<I can see him "milking" the US for decades, and having us prop up his regime, to the detriment of any democracy
that existed there before. >>

AS I explained above milking is what Egypt does, I believe on $ to $they contribute nothing to |US but get 3 billion
$ in aid, the very scenario that Pakistan Army is friendly Army makes so much better grounds for US in the most
inhospitable diplomatic terrain of the world, the confluence that has witnessed nearly al invasions to India for
centuries. Democracy is great and we wish we had it functioning, but under democracy we were about to be getting
a dose of Shariah bill where all Anglo Saxon law would have been replaced by Saudi like Shariah, that was
suppose to be once Nawaz had 3/4th majority in Senate. Now Mush came into power and Benazir welcomed him
telling how grateful she was to mush to overthrow a tyrant like Nawaz, she being corrupt ot the hilt liked Nawaz to
be removed so that she could do as deal with Mush, Mush could have done it and easily become a democratically
sponsored dictator but he took on the roots of corruption and decided ot refuse both Nawaz and Benazir that is in
my opinion a good sense and strong indication of his sincerity vis a vis Pakistan and world community.
<<If that is the case, then I would have suggest that Bhutto, corrupt as she was (aren't they all?), might have a point
that Musharraf is no Pinochet and may have greater ambitions. Ambitions that could leave the country in his hands
for decades. >>

Once you are in power ambitions grow exponentially, that was the fault of our leadership in last 12 years of
democratic governments Nawaz was dismissed twice learnt nothing and Benazir dismissed twice for corruption,
now 100 m $ in commissions as you may noticed from my pervious post is no small change, she is liked by Harvard
or Berkeley but that does not mean that a corrupt leader should be given a third chance because she is popular,
popular she is but corrupt and lust of money overpowers a lot of sensibilities that destroy her credibility as a leader,
Nawaz is now supporting the religious right, these guys have never ever gotten 5 seats on their own, Pakistan has
traditionally being very suspicious of sending right to their legislature but Nawaz by arranging to make seat
arrangements and punish Mush for allowing Pakistan Army to eradicate the ‘faithful’ this making arrangements of
with the right in the legislature will be a legacy of another political mistake of Nawaz a
moderate playing in hands of extremists to punish Mush.

Between all this stand a very strong institution the Army, the have definitely stopped the plunder they have made
serious error of judgment and mistake in Kargil but as far as Pakistan goes they have taken right decisions one after the other and mark my words that no one even we Pakistanis ever thought that ‘Talbenisation’ will escape us, thanks Mush for taking them on and eradicating the myth, neither Nawaz nor BB would have had the courage to eradicate these people who thrive on bloodshed and mass terror.


My best to you, my last little question is why should we worry too much about democracy when we know that
these democrats in my nation has raped the nation through, if plunderers or looters are not allowed by your political
system why they should be allowed by Pakistan? Having asserts 50 times your declared assets and blatantly flouting
the law of the land for not paying a single penny of taxes is not the idea that I have for a democrat one should lead
form the front, BB bad Nawaz should get their act clear and their will be no mush, Mush or a dictator appears
when democrats like BB welcome them like she did on 12th Oct 1999..!!
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