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Politics : Stockman Scott's Political Debate Porch

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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (5913)9/11/2002 2:59:42 AM
From: jjkirk  Read Replies (2) of 89467
 
Mr. Duray re: Your disparaging comments regarding Mr. Iqbal Latif and a yours truly on these threads, I quote:

Let me get this straight. An Internet personality suggests that Benazir Bhutto welcomed being overthrown and tossed out of power by a military coup? Look, I may have been born at night, but it sure wasn't last night. That one was weak,
jj. Try harder. Facts trump flowery, fanciful and mellifluous prose any day. What's Iqbal aiming for? A Nobel Prize in fiction?


I was surprised and disappointed that a man of your self-proclaimed intellectual prowess did not have the courage to directly question Mr. Latif on his writings, as I suggested. You are not intimidated by him, are you? You are? Pity!

Then, perhaps you would appreciate these efforts to address your concerns. I shall give you facts as you requested, with three of the many references available to any intellectually active, honest man who cares to search the web.

Mr. Duray, you need to learn how to read. Please excuse the directness of that comment, but I thought it appropriate here, since it applies here and since you use it yourself in dealing with others who do not read.

Re: your comment: that [Mr. Latif] suggests that Benazir Bhutto welcomed being overthrown and tossed out of power by a military coup?

Mrs. Bhutto was not thrown out of power by a military coup. Mr. Latif did not claim that she was. You, Mr. Duray, made up that false statement out of whole cloth, so that you could easily disprove it; or, you were ignorant of the facts, take your pick.

Please read the following excerpts from the Toronto Sun:

Both Benazir and her husband, Asif Ali Zadari, who has been in prison since she was ousted from office
in 1996 for corruption, have been sentenced to five years in prison. Benazir is currently living in exile
with her children in a two-room flat in London , pending the outcome of her High Court appeal next month.
twf.org

Mrs. Butto left office in 1996. The military coup was in 1999. You, Mr. Duray, a man ignorant of these simple facts, dare to challenge a courageous and valuable gentleman from Pakistan regarding the political history of his country? In fact, most Pakistani's welcomed the military coup. Read on:

While the outside world wrung its hands over the latest crisis for Pakistan's so-called `democracy,' this
act of political amputation was greeted with joy by most Pakistanis, who were fed up by the
incompetence, growing corruption, and increasingly autocratic behavior of the highly unpopular Nawaz
government. The military appeared to have once again rescued Pakistan from itself. ...

...At a press conference in London on October 19 [1999] Bhutto acknowledged that she had made contact with the army after the coup, seeking safe passage to return to Pakistan. Justifying the coup, she said that Sharif “created conditions” for the military take over. “He has
sought to dismantle democracy...When he attacked the army there was a
perception that he was politicizing the last non-political institution in the
country. The army reacted,” she said. Bhutto hailed the coup leader,
General Musharraf, as “a courageous and bold professional, committed
to civilian order.”

twf.org

Finally, Mr. Duray, before I whistle for the turnup truck you just fell from, please read this:

Former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, speaking to a
symposium in Toronto, Canada on November 8, said, “General
Musharraf's intentions look honest when he says that he will be fair in his
approach and that he is motivated by patriotism.”
Bhutto's remarks,
reported by the Pakistani newspaper Dawn, concerned the military chief
who took power in a coup overthrowing the government of Prime
Minister Nawaz Sharif on October 12. Her speech reflected the common
approach of the major political parties in Pakistan to the military
overthrow.
wsws.org

Mr. Duray, please speak of only those things with which you have knowledge. Thank you for your patience in reading this.

I remain, under God,
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jjkirk
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