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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank

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To: Lane3 who wrote (59441)9/23/2002 12:29:52 PM
From: one_less  Read Replies (1) of 82486
 
"If one experiences awe and wonder and spirituality in nature, does that back door one into an presumed God-belief in whoever or whatever created nature? Something or somebody obviously created nature, which is wonderous and awesome and spiritual to experience. Is acknowledging that tantamount to recognizing God?"

I think it depends. We (the believers) get pretty carried away in the how and the wherefore. We complicate it so much that we become divisive and unruly over it. From what I can gather in the various bodies of scripture that claim to be messages from God, the core of the explanation is not complicated. An effortless (and IMO timeless) event that is simply God's Will. Anything more complicated does not make sense to me, because effort implies struggling with some force to make things go your way. The All Powerful aspect of God's character contradicts that.

"Something or somebody obviously created nature, which is wonderous and awesome and spiritual to experience.

If my only avenue to experience was through my physical senses I would argue with you. It is vastly broader than just having a sensory awareness so I do agree with you.

In general, we (the believers) figure that there is purpose and that the condition of our souls is at the heart of the matter. This may be where I would draw a distinction on what a believer is and is not. It seems that one can start at just about any point and through unfettered observation of creation, conscious awareness of its illusive limits/limitlessness, and self awareness; most people can come to believe that the thing is bigger than physics or at least bigger than our understanding of physics. Most open minded people have awareness of the abstractions that impress their experience.

Finding a common label for that is difficult. Your choice of the word "spiritual" should work for most but probably not all. And so, for definitional purposes (among others) people who have an awareness of the "awesome and wonderous" nature of their existence can turn to scriptures and find clarification. I consider it oppression to institutionalize the same scriptures and attempt to define the allegiances of another person through them. (note: I do not consider a scholarly approach to study, followed by guiding others to necessarily be the same thing)
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