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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank
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To: Neocon who wrote (60452)10/1/2002 11:07:55 AM
From: Lane3  Read Replies (2) of 82486
 
We should not be aiming at what happens to please us, or cause us to avoid pain, but at what is right. If it were all a matter of "pleasure centers", we might as well hook ourselves up to a self- pleasuring machine and forget about the rest.

If you think this is about "pleasure centers," you're entirely missing the point. I think that you are so wrapped up in your own paradigm that you are not seeing that there is another legitimate way of looking at this. It may be more or less apt than your own. That is debatable. But you're not debating the merits of it, you're simply not seeing the alternative.

You and I have talked many times about how people optimally operate in a civilized society. We are much in agreement about the bottom line--our values and behaviors are quite similar. But we get there from two different directions. You're very wrapped up in this traditional approach, one with justice and punishment and retribution and apologies, quite alien notions to me. Yours may be the traditional way and it may be your way and that's just fine, but it isn't the only way.

You never did answer Chris's question about why an apology is owed. You merely describe to him over and over what apologies are about within your paradigm as though it were a given. It may be the default, but it is not the only approach and most certainly not a given.
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