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Politics : Foreign Affairs Discussion Group

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To: Sir Francis Drake who wrote (50773)10/10/2002 10:46:27 AM
From: Nadine Carroll  Read Replies (1) of 281500
 
They are trying to annex land beyond their internationally recognized borders (settlements)

Land which they got after their neighbors tried to use it to invade them. No Arab country recognized those borders in 1967 or 1973; they just became sacred to them after they lost territory. Why Israel is supposed to give its enemies a do-over on wars they started I have yet to figure out. In point of fact, the last internationally recognized administrator of the West Bank and Gaza was the British, a simple fact that you ignore. Legally, the land was supposed to be part of the Arab partition of Palestine, but was seized by Egypt and Jordan, a seizure not recognized internationally either. The ownership of the land is currently disputed. According to 242, it is supposed to be settled by negotiation and result in secure borders for all.

You have made the assertion that there were NO attacks by settlers and that they are controlled all by the IDF. Nonsense. My point was: NOBODY can be expected to control 100% of their extremists.

No, I never said that. I said that if extremists were uncontrollable then we should expect to see settlers massacring Palestinians in revenge for the massacres they have suffered. Once again you equate a small number of small-scale Jewish terrorist incidents with (by IDF count) 13,000 Palestinian terrorist incidents and say "nobody can control their extremists". Not controlling 100% of extremists does not mean it's fine not to control any extremists -- Arafat's interpretation. That is indeed the problem.

The number of terrorist attacks dropped drastically

Not true at all. The number of terrorist attacks rose sharply after Oslo, as Hamas tried to stop the peace process. Check the figures at ict.org. As far as the Israelis are concerned, giving up land = dead Israelis, a conclusion that killed support for the peace process on the Israeli side.

The name of the deal was land for peace, in stages. Arafat decided to play land for war instead. Do you really believe, as you seem to, that the Palestinians deserve a sovereign state even if they plan to turn it into a Palestinian Taliban? Let Hizbullah and Hamas turn it into an armed camp, while getting people like you to chorus, "Nobody can control 100% of the extremists"? From their behavior and statements so far, that is just the Palestinian plan. In short, is there ANY standard of behavior you would require out of the Palestinians?
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