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To: Neocon who wrote (62621)	10/15/2002 2:03:51 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) of 82486

It is as if you want me to imagine what society would be like if there were no gravity........ Yes, that's it exactly. That's what I've been referring to when I speak of tradition--your traditional notion of morality with it's elaborate structure of duty and blame and shame. You are treating that as though it were as inevitable and universal as gravity. I am treating it as one alternative, albeit the dominant alternative notion in our culture. That's what I meant when I talked about inside and outside the box--traditional and non-traditional. I have suspected for a while now that you consider it as inevitable as gravity. What I was struggling with was whether you couldn't imagine other alternatives or whether you recognized other possibilities but were protecting the traditional notion against them, or what. I'm still not sure. From where I sit, it looked like you were responding to my offer of an alternative as alternately immoral/libertine, ignorant, or heretic. I've seen what appears to me to be all of those themes in your responses. I don't presume to know where you're coming from. I'm still trying to figure it out. And that's part of why the discussion has been interesting to me. As I've proceeded through this post mortem, you might have noticed that I'm treating it as a system failure with causes and effects, not as a moral lapse on either of our parts. Do you think it's necessary to affix blame in situations like this? That it's necessary for one or the other or both of us to feel guilt or self-satisfaction or shame or pride? Is it not enough that it happened, that it was interesting, and that we learned something?

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