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Politics : Foreign Affairs Discussion Group

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To: LindyBill who wrote (52335)10/16/2002 6:45:00 AM
From: zonder  Read Replies (2) of 281500
 
This is such a target-rich reply that I don't know where to start :)

I listed the first few [links] that came up.

Next time you post a link to support your views, you might like to read it first, then :)

There are a ton of them out there

Certainly. Bless the web in its infinite variety. There are tons of pages on myriad views. I tend to give more credibility to the scientific websites with articles written by scientists, though.

So do I, on most Scientific subjects, but not on Environmental ones

I cannot understand why you believe environmental sciences are so different than the other sciences in it that their scientists invariably lie. In the Scientific American link that I gave you, the second scientist who answers your refrigerator man question ("freon is heavier than air, so why should it affect the ozone?") has won a Nobel Prize for his work on atmospheric chemistry. Aren't you being a little paranoid? Is it not remotely possible that all these scientists (at least one of whom has a Nobel Prize on the field) might be right?

I find that they the "Approved" ones have been seduced by the amount of money available to them if they trod the "approved" path. "Environmentalists" own the Government jobs that approve the funding. No funding, no research, unfortunately.

That sounds like a conspiracy theory. Is there absolutely no non-profit environmental organization where a scientist can speak his mind without worry from governmental grants?

If scientists' articles do not convince you, let us turn to Greenpeace:

archive.greenpeace.org

So, Greenpeace seems convinced that ozone depletion has something to do with CFCs as well. Can you say that Greenpeace is also on the governments' payroll? I fing that hard to believe.

The nice thing I am finding out about my "anti" position on Environmental issues, is that over time, I end up on the right side. Truth does win out, it just takes a while.

Modesty is a virtue, Bill :)

I would be very reluctant to proclaim my views "truth" in such absolute terms. All I can say is that all humanity knows with its existing level of science supports my current views on CFCs and the ozone layer, which, incidentally, is why I subscribe to these views.
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