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Politics : Stockman Scott's Political Debate Porch

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To: yard_man who wrote (8244)10/19/2002 11:54:17 PM
From: SOROS  Read Replies (1) of 89467
 
<font color=red>GOLDEN DOG POO FIGHT -- JW vs ZEEV</font>

JW:

"if I take on someone, you will know it
done it 100 times on SI
the most fun I had was with Zeev since a sincere mental challenge, laced with political overtones
he is vulnerable in a few critical places
I dont mean for abuse, I mean rather for exposing fallacious views that might someday seriously undermine both his positions and those of his copycatters
but he is so adept at managing stops, less risk
he is living proof that misplaced political trust can divert your attention away from the most promising investments"

ZEEV:

"Jim, sorry to say, but the one guilty of mixing his politics with his investments and trading is you, not I. There are few classes of investments I am not good at so I don't do them, I don't short, I don't play commodities, I don't play the nobles and shy from most center banks. Nothing to do with politics."

JW:

"sorry, Zeev, but your claim last spring that the USGovt was managing the dollar currency properly and responsibly had a hundred undercurrents, supported by your few comments about required national spending levels, which has direct socialist implications, thus politics
your comments seemed laughable then, laughable now

your defense of my April 3-page rebuttal on the dollar and gold was arrogant, shallow, and patronizing
you claimed then to have knowledge and teaching experience regarding gold and banking, as if that is supposed to silence my numerous well-drawn out rebuttal arguments
now you claim something on the other side about not doing commodities well
whatever, you sound confused, not worth the time
my thoughts and studies come with solid credentials, as well as teaching and consulting experience, altho not tossed around as much as yours, which speaks to a certain level of insecurity

economics is the most mismanaged, politicized, unconscionably marketed, heretically practiced quantitative field today

the US currency, banking, federal spending, military spending, and accounting is without argument the most irresponsible and and most hemorrhaged in world history
it invites a correction of historical proportions

I could continue with 20 more comments, but not worth the time
within several months, only one asset class will be pursued
good luck to you"

ZEEV:

"Who nominated you to decide, first if any comment is socialist or not (I doubt you understand the difference between socialist, communist anarchist and capitalist, you surely miss the common thread amongst all of them), and second, who are you to say if the one or the other is a "better choice". Admit it, you may read what I say, but you rarely understand the nuances of the calculus involved. You are a pagan married to a lifeless metal and whomever does not share your cult, is wrong, or a communist, or a socialist, or whatever "tag du jour" applies. Like many fascist ignorimi, what you don't understand, you are afraid of, and what you are afraid of, you tag as some inferior caste. You don't argue a point you characterize it as "socialist" hoping that this absolve you from the mental exercise required in arguing a point. You are too lazy mentally for me to even engage you in a serious discourse.

Good day and good luck, and don't forget to feed the golden calf..."

JW (countering with a ONE, TWO):

"I attempted to engage you on dollar currency, Treasury management, federal spending, gold policy, etc
in response to your claim for responsible dollar currency mgmt
that was late May, early June

your response was arrogant, terse, patronizing
you made an inane comment about not reading past the first page of an assignment by students
I am not a student of yours, never was, never will
very patronizing, arrogant, non-engaging, supercilious, assholish

your gold comments contain a steady stream of conventional "politically dictated" pablum, supporting massive deficit spending, and steeped in hidebound thought
I stick with what I have said a few times now
YOU DONT UNDERSTAND GOLD, AND WHY OUR SYSTEM IS FAILING US NOW,
SINCE THE ABSENCE OF GOLD IN ITS FOUNDATION ROLE

I have always admired your ability to extract from 1/2 a pt up to 3 pts in certain stocks, with adept money management
but I have never understood why so many people give a shit what your opinion is on stock behavior in the next two hours
such is a waste of your time and intellect

I have a clear understanding of the differences of each ...
"socialist, communist anarchist and capitalist"

you and your style crack me up as arrogant and stuck in current failing thought for economic (mis)management
Mark Twain defined DOGMATIC = WRONG AT TOP OF YOUR VOICE
you qualify

funny how a "pagan metal" seems to prevent rapidly increasing volatility in world economics and financial markets

have you ever seen the function in math ???
F(x) = x sin(2*PI*x)
cyclical but increasing its amplitude
did you get that far in math?

that is what modern economics resembles since departure in 1971 from the "pagan metal"
but you probably skipped those economic history classes
or is it politically expedient to overlook that chapter of history?

too lazy mentally? you are funny
try reading my last 1000 posts
if I am lazy, it is reading every single one of your posts
but that laziness is quite a productive one
I attempted a discussion with you in May/June
you resorted to pithy patronizing comments that seems to originate from a poorly prepared professor

your Jewish history is lacking in reference to GOLDEN CALF
I dont worship it
such a straw dog you use
do you worship EARNINGS ???
instead, I see it as a far more STABLE CAPSTONE for a money system
big difference, and how IGNORANT you seem with such a reference
if anything, you worship by default a DEBT CALF

big difference, read your Bible, all in Old Testament

I dont nominate or receive nomination
instead I call a spade a spade, and those ignorant both of gold's history and of gold's function just that... IGNORANT

good luck to you
did you notice that you missed the biggest sector in winter/spring of 2002 ???
congratulations
keep picking up those peanut shells on the lunch floor

bear this in mind as a final
HE WHO RESORTS FIRST TO CHILDISH NAME CALLING LOSES

YOU LOSE

I will drop by your thread when it suits my fancy
to remind you and correct you on fallacious comments on gold
sooner or later, you will learn
next you will likely label me as "anti-semitic"
my Christian horde never worshipped the Golden Calf
someone else's ancestors did, not mine
if anything, our pagan worship on the Emerald Isle is of Guiness"

and JW's #TWO:

"
I will find your arrogant previous comments from June
including your teaching references
they will be easy, since the first week of Golden Jackass SI thread
not in a hurry now
since dinner is far more important than dragging out evidence
I will not stoop to your level of pettiness
instead of defending your position, you act like a 6-yr old kid

you waste your intellect with a point here, two points there

try deciphering the NEXT BIG INVESTMENT WAVE
when gold miner stocks are the sole refuge before 2006
when they rise like DotComs with 100-fold gains
you will be left behind picking up peanut shells off the lunchroom floor

I never resorted to petty childish name calling
you show your true colors, Zeev, not a flattering display
perhaps you would prefer to remain where you are revered, where folks turn on your every utterance
THAT, MY GOOD MAN, IS PURE UNADULTERATED PRIDE

references to come, in my time, not yours

did you ever think that you might learn something unconventional about gold and Austrian Economics ?
if not, then a sign of little intellectual curiosity
instead, reference to barbaric or pagan metal
very shallow and inconsistent with your exalted reputation
you will find no adulation here, except as "A DAY TRADER"
not an economic theorist"

Excellent sparring. Need any viagra or pain killers, JW?

I remain,

SOROS
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