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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank
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To: The Philosopher who wrote (65054)10/31/2002 3:45:43 PM
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"Do you have justification for your view that what I posted was a misinterpretation of Christianity??"

There is little universal agreement on what constitutes the standards of Christianity; let alone criteria that qualify one for adhering to the standards. So, I do not want to try to argue what is Christian vs what is not. Maybe Neocon could since he is a religious scholar.

However, on the subject of forgiveness I have seen other explanations that seem much more rational. The AD Coors anecdote was nice. He was able to release his animosity toward the murderer and move on with life. If you want to call that forgiveness OK but I see it as something else. If you do call it forgiveness then you must recognize that there are other contexts that involve reconciliation. From the AD Coors anecdote I do not see reconciliation.

Reconciliatory forgiveness is a trade, or a deal of sorts as I see it. The deal is two fold because it involves reconciliation of the offender and the offended. The offended has to be a forgiver and the offender has to feel granted forgiveness

""And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us." Do you see in there any demand that they apologize before their trespasses are forgiven?"

I do not see any demand in this and as I have stated previously I do not consider a coerced apology worth anything. I do see a trade off in the sentence. Do you?

The prayer is asking God to forgive us at the same measure we are forgiving to our fellows. Have we offended God? If so how, if not what is the context of forgiveness. I propose that the context is sin and there is clearly a trade off. It does say that we should be forgiving but it does not say what merits forgiveness. At a minimum there should be the three criteria I mentioned to you in the past. Even in this example we are doing what??? We are praying to God for forgiveness. I would say that meets all three criteria. Nice deal.
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