Ted,
That we should resign from NATO
You are in a denial. Nothing happens in NATO without US approval. And nothing happens without the US initiative.
You clearly have trouble letting go of this argument so I would really like to figure out what your point is.
The point is your credibility. On one hand you endorse war in Kosovo, the most unjustified use of the US military force in my lifetime, and now you are making verbal somersaults about a use of force that has not even happened. Now, how can you reconcile these two? You have not offered any reasonable explanation, so I go back to the basic liberal viewpoint of Clinton war good, Bush war bad. Basically, my conclusion is that your credibility on anything related to Bush and potential war in Iraq started at zero and stayed there because of this contradiction.
Do you feel that Clinton's fight was stupid so Bush is allowed a stupid fight as well?
My point is that Clinton fight was stupid, it exhauseted the reservoir of good will toward America, and Bush better not start a fight equally stupid.
Are you claiming that what the Serbs were doing was not that bad? That Milosevic was a good leader and he should have been left alone?
Milosovic is bad, but KLA is worse, much worse. Why else would Bin Laden support it?
As for me being the best example of American ignorance.......the statement is laughable and you know it.
Really? Your ignorance of Yugoslavia / Kosovo war was close to absolute before this thread started.
As for anti American sentiment, I have been to Europe many times, and every place I've gone there's anti American sentiment.
I am not speaking about spoiled brats of Western Europe, but specifically about Eastern Europe and Russia.
Do you mean the Chinese were our friends until the Yugoslavia bombings?
My take on China-US relations is that we have always been adverseries, but often with common interest, which made us pretend to be friends. The attack of Yugoslavia (with bombing of their embassy adding insult to injury) gave China moral high ground to dispose the pretended friendship, and assume the role of an adversary, and do so with pride.
have you objected to the spy planes we send over there?
That goes along with us being adversaries. Disposition of the politeness following Yugoslavia war gave China green light to do what they did with our spy plane.
Secondly, I would think the Chinese would have been pleased with the NATO intervention......since their relationship historically has been with Albania and not Yugoslavia.
There is a vast difference between "I would think the Chinese would have been pleased", and reality of Chinese being absolutely furious about it, blocking it (along with Russia) at the UN.
Well, let me just say, the consequences may far outweigh the benefits to be received.
That's why I have been agaist Bush's original plan (or a caricature of the original plan described by the press) of an unprovoked attack. But it could very well be that on this issue, I, like many others, fell into the trap of underestimating Bush.
I will say it one more time.....screw Saddam. I would be after bin Laden and his gang. But you see, that's a hard one so Bush is going after the low hanging fruit.
I more or less agree with that, but I am gaining respect for the administration game plan with Saddam.
what was your point about SF? Because they many don't agree with Bush, they are anti American?
They were anti-American long before president Bush (either one). It is not about Bush, but about SF Liberals.
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