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Politics : Formerly About Advanced Micro Devices

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To: tejek who wrote (155613)12/3/2002 11:38:51 PM
From: hmaly  Read Replies (1) of 1580034
 
Ted Re...Harry, you are working to hard to win. I never contended that the Palestinians weren't offered statehood. What I did contend is that they didn't like the offer.

Hmmm. That is exactly what you said in this post.

It wasn't the Palestinians who attacked the Israelis in 1948, and ever since there has never been an opportunity for the Palestinians to have their own state. If you believe otherwise, I would appreciate seeing the link [s] that provides you with that information.

And they didn't like the offer. Do you think it was a fair offer?

first of all, both Britian and the UN appointed commissions, and both recommended approximately the same partition, so why would I think I know better. Secondly, why would you be so arrogant as to think you know better. Thirdly, considering the weak hand the Palestinians had, the 56% to 44% partition was likely the best Britian could hope to get for the Palestinians.

It was your point, not mine. You contended that armed preparations and ethnic cleansing were minor issues. My contention was that they were not. I proved my contention by pointing out all the references.

And we were talking about 1947, not 1948.

Wrong. I have contended that since the initial offer, there has not been an opportunity for the Palestinians to have their own state. Its been withheld by the Israelis. And you know that's true since you've been diligently following the history.

Not true, there were negotiations and a agreement in 1993,(Clinton,Rabin, Arafat) whereby the PLO would take control of the West Bank and Gaza. If Arafat could control the attacks on Israel, and recognize Israel as a state, then Israel would recognize the Palestinian state. It never happened. Arafat turned it down in the Barak, Clinton, Arafat negotiations. Also, anytime after 1949, Jordan,Egypt, and Syria; who captured the territory the Palestinians were to receive if they had accepted the partition; could have offered to transfer that land to the Palestinians for their state. So the Arab states are as much to blame as the Israelis.

Never said they were....however, its the Israelis who unfairly hold all the cards.

The Palestinians had every opportunity to be as prepared as the Zionists were, when the British pulled out. Secondly, Palestine knew they didn't have the firepower, but still turned down the partition; presumably because the Palestinians believed that combined with the neighboring Arab states, They were sure to win, and in the end control all of the mandate. Its too bad their greed got the best of them, because not only did Israel get their share of the mandate, but the Palestinian's supposed friends grabbed their share, leaving the Palestinians with nothing.
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