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Politics : Foreign Affairs Discussion Group

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To: KLP who wrote (61462)12/13/2002 8:53:48 AM
From: Ilaine  Read Replies (1) of 281500
 
I was dreaming last night about Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and the fire-bombing of Dresden. There was clearly an element, a large element, of vindictiveness involved in these events.

It seems clear to me that a large percentage of US citizens become extremely bloody-minded in times of war. In many ways, Jackson was not a nice man, but he was a very effective president -- effective in achieving his goals and the goals of those who elected him.

I keep harping on Mead's essays about Jacksonians, Jeffersonians, Wilsonians and Hamiltonians. The Jacksonians are the ones who are really bloody-minded. Think of the Trail of Tears (ordered by President Jackson). According to Mead, when the US is engaged in war, the Jacksonian mode becomes predominant.

What 9/11 changed is that before 9/11 we did not think we were engaged in war, and after 9/11, we did, and we have become very bloody-minded - not all of us, but the Jacksonians have, and the Jeffersonians become Jacksonian when provoked.
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