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Politics : foreign affairs, unchaperoned
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To: marcos who started this subject12/16/2002 10:23:15 PM
From: marcos  Read Replies (2) of 261
 
' If you want the root of the Palestine situation, you can find it in one word: Judenstadt. That was the original driving goal behind Zionism, the Jewish State, the State that would be, as Chaim Weizman put it, as Jewish as England is English. The Zionists also, of course, issued loud and frequent proclamations that they desired a state of peaceful co-existence with the local population, but that nominal goal was from the start utterly incompatible with the primary goal of a Jewish State. It was clear from the beginning, to any who desired to see it, that peaceful co-existence with a pre-existing non-Jewish local population could never be achieved within the context of a Jewish State. That goal could not be achieved unless the local population were subjugated or removed, and that could not be achieved without violence. Violence, therefore, was implicit in Zionism from the very beginning. '

#reply-18311394 ... outstanding series of posts from Steven follows this, as various parties attempt to distract from the bolded statement, and/or deny it .... still going on, here is one recent response -

'Talking about the "origins of a pattern of violence" is of little interest' - #reply-18340450

Perhaps it is of little interest, to parties feeling that they swing a bigger military stick at the moment, yes ... however, there are on this little planet others, whose interests may vary ... good on Steven for taking the time to point this out, that the first few years following the Balfour declaration are critical to understanding of what is happening in Palestine ... never mind how much proponents of european colonisation there try to avoid the roots of the situation, in spreading the 'land without a people' myth ... it will be interesting to see what response he gets to this -

'A simple question: what do you think were the causes of the initial hostile reaction of the Arab population to Zionist immigration, the hostility that led to the Arab petition to Churchill in 1921 and the riots that followed the petition's rejection? ' - #reply-18343037
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