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Politics : Should God be replaced?
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To: zonder who wrote (14364)1/10/2003 2:01:53 PM
From: Greg or e  Read Replies (1) of 28931
 
Not sure if I'm not communicating clearly or if you are just obtuse. BWRT "eternal" It means;

1. of infinite duration; everlasting;-opposite of temporal
2. continued intermediately; perpetual.
3. Valid or existing at all times; immutable.
4. Timeless....

Your notion that eternal only deals with the future is clearly erroneous.

"There are other options - ex: molecules react without any outside help and hence things can come into being without "creation"."

First let me say, that is clearly not an additional option since you are starting with "molecules" in a cause and effect relationship. Where do the "molecules" come from and are they temporal or eternal? That's the question. Secondly perhaps "created" is a somewhat loaded term, I would be willing to change that to "beginning to exist" if that would help but it seems to me that you face the same problem whatever you call it.

Finally; I think your evolutionary explanation of personality and morality from impersonal mater doesn't hold water, but putting that aside for the moment. Observation does not logically necessitate "beginning of existence". Lots of things exist outside our ability to observe and measure them. As our instruments improve perhaps we will find that "vacuums" are not empty at all. How do you know they got everything out in the first place? I doubt it's even possible to artificially creating an absolute vacuum. I repeat; Spontaneous generation is an old and discredited theory. Must run for now.

Greg
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