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To: tejek who wrote (157900)	1/13/2003 7:54:39 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) of 1580039

I don't think that the "early 21st century capitalist paradigm" is as good as it gets but socialism is in almost every way worse and belong on the trash heap of history. It might come back strong but that would be a very bad thing for everyone who had to live under the socialist system. Your concern with control borders on the neurotic. Does it upset you that the gov't controls the trash or the sewerage? Certain functions tend to stay with the gov't because no one else wants to deal with them. It doesn't upset me every time the government does anything by garbage and even sewage can be dealt with by the private sector. A better example of something that the private sector has dificulty dealing with would be roads, an even better example would be the military, police, and court system. I was talking about cultural, not individual altruism. A culture is not a moral agent. It has no mind or will. It is made up of the interactions of people who have minds and wills. They can be altruistic or not. A culture could be said to be altruistic in the sense that many people in the culture are altruistic and the culture promotes altruism but a culture can not act in an altruistic way, the individuals act, and any altruism the culture has is a reflection of the altruism of individuals. If the culture was a moral agent it still would not be altruistic by stealing from Mary to give to Bob. Humans are motivated by many emotions they hardly, if at all, are cognizant of.......many of the emotions were activated in early childhood and still control us from way back there. You would not be unique in this characteristic. True but unless I was seeing you as a therapist and probably even then I am in a better position to know my own emotions and philosophies and the sources for them. In the vast majority of cases where people in a political discusion start bringing up the sources for the other sides emotions they are not dealing with the issue but rather making an ad-hominem statement. More often then not it is ad-hominem abusive where it is an attack on the other side rather then focusing on the issue but even when it is not abusive it is ad-hominem circumstansial. An example of that would be when a teacher argues that teachers should get paid more and gets the response that "you are just saying that because you are a teacher". The guess as to the motivation might be true but it doesn't deal with the argument (assuming that the teacher actually had an argument beyong "I wan't more money". Gov't doesn't steal it from you. Extortion might be a better word. They take by threat of force. Entitled to have a decent life in one of the wealthiest countries in the world. But they are not entitled to that, only to an oportunity at a decent life. Why do you keep reverting to the term, steal? Do you feel the gov't is "stealing" your money thru their collection of taxes? Yes. Its a necessary evil, but it doesn't stop it from being wrong or at least taking beyond a small necessary minimum is wrong. Things are not very fair and equitable in LA. That was one of several reasons why they experienced riots in the early '90s. Things will never be totally fair and equitable, and the attitudes that led to the riots are a large part of what keeps the rioters from having a decent life. Tim

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