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To: tejek who wrote (158382)	1/18/2003 10:01:16 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) of 1586653

The dropout rates for blacks and Hispanics are almost three times that of whites; 11% and 11.3% vs 4.5% respectively. So progress is being made but we're not there yet. The higher drop out rate shows that they are not being discriminated against in admission. If only the most exceptional black candidates where admitted then the dropout rate would be lower. So what? Is the goal to move people up the food chain, or to keep them away from anything that may challenge them and make them uncomfortable? The goal isn't to move anyone up the food chain, it is to give them a chance to move themselves up which you do by not discriminating against them now, but not by discriminating in their favor or lowering standards for them. That is as Bush said "the soft bigotry of low expectations". Instead look to end further discrimination and try to improve primary and secondary education for all. Conditions have improved but there are still potential problems. milwaukee.bizjournals.com None of which is evidence of discrimination. As you yourself say " a higher percentage of blacks applying for home mortgages are at marginal income levels for owning a home. " Then what explains these higher incidences of illegitimate births, more difficult conditions etc? To a large extent by the actions of the people that have these disadvantages or the actions and choises of their parents. Past racism has a negative lingering effect but when racism was much which illegitimacy and drug use where lower among blacks so it can't be used as an exuse. TP was not talking about individual wrong doing.....but rather wrong doing on a societal level Society is the collection of individuals. Anything that was done wrong was done by an individual or a lot of individuals. Besides, most of the wrong doers croaked long ago. Should we go after their descendants and make them pay retribution? No, but that is exactly what AA is an attempt to do. If that's the way conservatives feel, then they should have spoken up two hundreds years ago None of todays conservatives where alive 200 years ago. I'm not responsible for what my distant ancestors did or didn't do. The fact that their was injustice in the past doesn't mean we can not or should not act justly now. "Should the son of Colin Powell get bonus points over some white person from a poor backwater in apalachia? Should whites who are under represented in most sports get bonus points (but non-whites would get a bonus in hockey)?" Yup, I am afraid so. Thats just stupid, but if you feel that way when can I expect my garunteed NBA contract? After all the NBA doesn't have a proportial amount of sub six feet overweight white men. How many black CEO's are there? How many cabinet post secretaries? How many SC justices are black? I don't know how many CEOs but its a growing number. As for cabinet posts and SC its about the same as the percentage of blacks in the country. If you consider Bush's most influential advisors its far above their percentage in the population. It gives extra points for race but not at the expense of merit. Giving extra points for race is automatically at the expense of merit. Yes, the condition of public schools has deteriorated dramatically in the past 30 years. Now lets look at the reasons why... Nice story but it doesn't give a reason for the schools poor performance let alone a valid excuse. The resources available to the schools has increased. They are not being starved of tax money as white kids go to private schools they are spending more and achieving less. Now conservatives want to give a chance to poor kids and minorities that have been left behind in failing public schools but the Democrats have opposed these efforts so they can help the teacher's unions at the expense of the children in the failing schools. "It will be a first step towards treating people according to the content of their character (and their qualifications) rather then the color of their skin." How can you expect to have that arrangement when we still don't have it with AA? The question doesn't make any sense. AA is an example of the exact opposite of treating people according to their character or qualifications. It like saying, "how can we have peace if people stop shooting, when we don't have peace now that people are shooting at us?". Tim

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